VAR (PL introduction 2019)

MillionMilesAway said:
Isn't it just that? It's obvious what they are trying to do:

- a ricochet doesn't count
- this 'natural silhouette' idea
- falling on the ball
- not entirely sure what this relates to, but it's so specific that there may be something in the IFAB video support.

However it will come down to opinion for the second point - the first and third should be easy to ref correctly.
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It's just that when a ricochet or fast near shot hits a hand and everyone misses it, we're all happy to play on.
Then the VAR guy says to his mucker, 'that looks dodgy, let's get the ref to look at it again and see if he wants to change his mind'.
This immediately puts the ref under the cosh and makes him change his mind.
So the joker in the VAR van, possibly now thinking, 'shit, shouldn't have done that', has caused a furore.
Or as in City at Schalke, when everyone was happy continuing with the game, 'let's just tell the ref to award a penalty'!
 
citytilllidie said:
It's just that when a ricochet or fast near shot hits a hand and everyone misses it, we're all happy to play on.
Then the VAR guy says to his mucker, 'that looks dodgy, let's get the ref to look at it again and see if he wants to change his mind'.
This immediately puts the ref under the cosh and makes him change his mind.
So the joker in the VAR van, possibly now thinking, 'shit, shouldn't have done that', has caused a furore.
Or as in City at Schalke, when everyone was happy continuing with the game, 'let's just tell the ref to award a penalty'!
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Massively open to corruption.
 
citytilllidie said:
It's just that when a ricochet or fast near shot hits a hand and everyone misses it, we're all happy to play on.
Then the VAR guy says to his mucker, 'that looks dodgy, let's get the ref to look at it again and see if he wants to change his mind'.
This immediately puts the ref under the cosh and makes him change his mind.
So the joker in the VAR van, possibly now thinking, 'shit, shouldn't have done that', has caused a furore.
Or as in City at Schalke, when everyone was happy continuing with the game, 'let's just tell the ref to award a penalty'!
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Same as the first leg against Spurs. Who honestly was asking for a penalty? I thought, ooh unlucky sergio, but we have a corner.
 
Hart of the Matter said:
VAR has increased the accuracy of decision from 92.5% to 98.1%. in womans world cup which is similar to Mens world cup.
This means a major decision will is missed in two more games a season without VAR than with it. Not every major decision mistake made ends up being match changing.
The question for every one is ... is that improvement worth the shit that comes with VAR?
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That's the average, City will gain much more from its introduction and the Rags with their "most penalty awarded status for 30 years running", will lose the most. Hence why they voted against it...
 
citytilllidie said:
It's just that when a ricochet or fast near shot hits a hand and everyone misses it, we're all happy to play on.
Then the VAR guy says to his mucker, 'that looks dodgy, let's get the ref to look at it again and see if he wants to change his mind'.
This immediately puts the ref under the cosh and makes him change his mind.
So the joker in the VAR van, possibly now thinking, 'shit, shouldn't have done that', has caused a furore.
Or as in City at Schalke, when everyone was happy continuing with the game, 'let's just tell the ref to award a penalty'!
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But that is almost exactly how it is now except with someone prompting a screen review of the incident by the ref; that's fine, and isn't inherently broken.

At the moment there is no evidence that the PL will be skewed by VAR, or that some will get preferential treatment. When there is evidence, then we'll see what that is. All the VAR''d handballs were pretty consistent in the calls, and that's all that can be asked for.

The Schalke incident is a very different matter - that was equipment failure and not reffing failings. I think the procedure in case of not having a screen was hopelessly flawed, and should not happen again, but it's a different error from bias.
 
super_city_si said:
Same as the first leg against Spurs. Who honestly was asking for a penalty? I thought, ooh unlucky sergio, but we have a corner.
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I agree. I wouldn't have minded neither being given. But as long as it's consistent, and as long as it doesn't destroy the game by having loads of them, it can be lived with.
 
Bluearmy said:
That's the average, City will gain much more from its introduction and the Rags with their "most penalty awarded status for 30 years running", will lose the most. Hence why they voted against it...
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It all comes down to how many decisions were wrong. I can't remember all the Utd penalties, but if they are all correct (of course, I doubt they were all clear cut and correct), then complaining looks strange.
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
I see the premier league refs are meeting to decide how to apply the VAR rules next year....
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What about referees outside the Premier League without VAR? How will they referee games?
Will the new rules on handball and penalties apply to none VAR games and the amateur game? If so I can see big problems for referees.
 
spiny said:
What about referees outside the Premier League without VAR? How will they referee games?
Will the new rules on handball and penalties apply to none VAR games and the amateur game? If so I can see big problems for referees.
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Quite. Same rules should apply across the whole game
 
spiny said:
What about referees outside the Premier League without VAR? How will they referee games?
Will the new rules on handball and penalties apply to none VAR games and the amateur game? If so I can see big problems for referees.
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Yes, the rules will be the same. The PL comment pretty much acknowledged that FIFA laws have to be applied.

If there is no VAR, all there is is a tweaked law, but still ref's judgement, same as when any other law changes. The only thing it may affect is something like a cup game, where if VAR is up, there may be more limited options for choice of refs.

I suspect the meeting is more a matter of the refs having a briefing session with video examples, and a discussion. I can't think why it is at all noteworthy that the refs are getting together to work out how to deal/view the new laws and systems.
 
So the only 2 grounds without video playback(large screen TV) are klanfield and old toilet how convenient
 
jazzy said:
So the only 2 grounds without video playback(large screen TV) are klanfield and old toilet how convenient
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Why does it make any difference? The TV feed will still have everything; it's just that the crowds at the two grounds will only get messages rather than footage. I don't see why it would affect refereeing.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Yes, the rules will be the same. The PL comment pretty much acknowledged that FIFA laws have to be applied.

If there is no VAR, all there is is a tweaked law, but still ref's judgement, same as when any other law changes. The only thing it may affect is something like a cup game, where if VAR is up, there may be more limited options for choice of refs.

I suspect the meeting is more a matter of the refs having a briefing session with video examples, and a discussion. I can't think why it is at all noteworthy that the refs are getting together to work out how to deal/view the new laws and systems.
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I disagree. Remember season before last when they all met to clamp down on shirt tugging in the box and it lasted for 2 weeks? In the women’s World Cup we’ve seen them ditch yellow cards for penalty shoot out line encroachments. Then we had the rumoured mid season meeting about handballs amongst UCL refs which burned us against spurs

Not sure why refs don’t just apply the rules. If they don’t like them or don’t believe they work then get them changed
 
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