Away tickets

After reading most of the thread, I thought I’d look into getting my daughter a WHU ticket as now she is entitled to apply, ( 22 years of age, season ticket 13 years, 16000+ points )
First thing I realised that she can now apply for a WHU ticket before me as I only have 22000+ points ( season ticket 45 years )!

It came up on website that it was ‘restricted sale’ even though she is of the right criteria!

I can only guess that the 18-25 tickets have sold out ( no surprise )
Bloody hell City at least put it on the site somewhere!!
 
Fame Monster said:
Well done for being there but plenty more than the 20,000+ pointers stood by City through the dark times otherwise we wouldn't have been getting 28,000 in the third division.

Put it to the club by all means but they'll be aware that 1894 put out a poll which 3000 city fans took part in and the largest number supported the changes. Not definitive but indicative, and if the club want to put it to season ticket holders, I'd be in support of that too. We'll see where it goes.
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1894 are far more representative of the younger element of the support than they are inclusive of all. Any poll on 'social media' put out by them would be expected to draw support from their core grouping of supporters. It would be more representative of 'all' support if the club could be minded to poll all seasoncard holders across a variety of media that encompassed all … naturally you would agree in the interests of fairness for all!!!

Again I ask the question you fail to respond to … what about the group of supporters aged 26-40? Should they be excluded from any debate because they are stuck in the middle? They haven't had the same opportunities as the high point supporters but are to be excluded to allow 'new' supporters a chance? Why not a 26/40 5% free for all or are we getting silly now?

18/25 is a fine idea with qualification. If we wish to target those supporters then fine do so … but at the expense of other ring fenced support.

The criteria has always been points … if you wish to change the goalposts then do it wholesale and don't just target those that have tried their best to climb the ladder. There really shouldn't be short cuts in a system that supposedly rewards loyalty. Sadly in 45% of cases there are …
 
Andyleg said:
1894 are far more representative of the younger element of the support than they are inclusive of all. Any poll on 'social media' put out by them would be expected to draw support from their core grouping of supporters. It would be more representative of 'all' support if the club could be minded to poll all seasoncard holders across a variety of media that encompassed all … naturally you would agree in the interests of fairness for all!!!

Again I ask the question you fail to respond to … what about the group of supporters aged 26-40? Should they be excluded from any debate because they are stuck in the middle? They haven't had the same opportunities as the high point supporters but are to be excluded to allow 'new' supporters a chance? Why not a 26/40 5% free for all or are we getting silly now?

18/25 is a fine idea with qualification. If we wish to target those supporters then fine do so … but at the expense of other ring fenced support.

The criteria has always been points … if you wish to change the goalposts then do it wholesale and don't just target those that have tried their best to climb the ladder. There really shouldn't be short cuts in a system that supposedly rewards loyalty. Sadly in 45% of cases there are …
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I mentioned it earlier in the thread mate. I'd have a ballot where those with the most points get the most tickets in the ballot and therefore the best chance of going. It's not perfect and still has problems for the youngsters but at least they get a decent chance to go to some high priority games rather than none. I think you make a fair point about the Twitter poll but it's the best we've got to go off so far but I'd happily put the question to all season ticket holders.
 
pace89 said:
That’s a bit misleading. Our away support started to fall away when prices rocketed circa 2003 and kick off times became massively inconvenient, prior to that selling anything less than the full allocation was quite rare. For the most part, the period we were in Div 1 and Div 2 was defined by consistently taking huge followings all over the country.

Barring the rags and Liverpool you could take any team in the league and find games where they didn’t sell their allocation or take a big following.
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Sorry mate Plymouth 3-2 defeat and Fulham 5-1 defeat there was enough room on the terraces for the fans to have a game of 5 aside if there'd been enough to pick from.
 
I don't really feel qualified to comment on this thread as, Wembley matches aside, I have attended three away matches since the Villa Park semi-final v Ipswich in 1981. The first was away to Newcastle when Tevez scored two when I was in the Gallowgate End (don't ask!) and the second was at Norwich in an FA Cup tie in the City support. This final one was at Celtic, when again I was in the home support area.

I am on around 10,000 points. This is likely to be sufficient to get me a ticket for any City match at Wembley and hopefully any Champions League final. So the current system suits me. It's enough of a trek to get to home matches from Edinburgh before thinking about away matches.

However, unless things change, away tickets are likely to get harder to obtain for a lot of away matches. Employing a strict points system is likely to result in City's away support consisting of mostly of pensioners over time. Or do I misunderstand the mechanics of how things work?
 
Not complaining. Just noticeable.

I can never workout how kids with their parent/s manage to get away ticket’s.

Can you bequeath your away points to your Grand Children when you pass away?
 
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colinthewindowcleaner said:
When we get to Champions League final will 18-25 get preference over fans with 22000 points ( for example )
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If it’s anything to do with Thomas Fuck, we’ll be stuck at the Manchester Airport for 2 day’s, due to an administrational error.

As in, there’s not enough Aeroplane’s.
 
Andyleg said:
Someone mentioned earlier that we need representation like the Dippers do with SOS. We rightly slag them off for much of what they do but there is not a chance on earth that 6 or 7 supporters clubs reps would be allowed to shaft a majority of their support as we seem to let happen at City.

I don't know the answer but allowing this to happen cannot be it.

If we allow another 5% to be taken from the only legitimate part of the system whose to say where the other 55% will end up?

It's easy to look the other way when it doesn't impact on you … we only start getting angry when it impacts on us directly. Perhaps all of those (including those yet to be affected) need to make a stand because eventually it's coming your way. Plenty of us thought we were comfy 3 or 4 years ago … not so many now.
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Allow me.....
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
 
As much as I praise the loyalty of those that have attended countless always over numerous seasons, we must also concede that the current system of loyalty points will forever reward and opportunise the same limited group of the top 3000 point holders!

On that basis, the point system has now become completely flawed, almost a cartel. We should recognise that and abandon points completely. All away tickets should for all future games be done on 50% advance ballot at 6 weeks prior to the fixture and 50% (after ballot result confirmed) on fastest finger first to ANY Seasoncard holder at 4 weeks prior to the fixture.

In short, regardless of what's gone before, watching away games cannot be exclusive to only those who have done so before.
 
A few years ago I used to go to pretty much all our away games and some.... especially in London the allocation of tickets got really "strange" and it was safe to say that the majority of the tickets ended up going to people who, I would be shocked if they had ever seen a live game before.
 
MaineRoadBlue said:
As much as I praise the loyalty of those that have attended countless always over numerous seasons, we must also concede that the current system of loyalty points will forever reward and opportunise the same limited group of the top 3000 point holders!

On that basis, the point system has now become completely flawed, almost a cartel. We should recognise that and abandon points completely. All away tickets should for all future games be done on 50% advance ballot at 6 weeks prior to the fixture and 50% (after ballot result confirmed) on fastest finger first to ANY Seasoncard holder at 4 weeks prior to the fixture.

In short, regardless of what's gone before, watching away games cannot be exclusive to only those who have done so before.
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Don't agree with this whosoever and I'm on 17k points so what you propose would give me a better chance of big games and small allocations than I currently have.

A small percentage to ballot maybe but not the whole allocation. That'd ruin travel for pretty much every group of supporter.

Plus for me the top end of supporter deserve the opportunity of obtaining tickets before the rest because of the effort put in of which there's probably about 1000-1200.

I agree in the sense that every supporter should at least have an opportunity to attend a big game or small allocation every once in a while and a small allocation going to ballot would provide that opportunity.
 
i kne albert davy said:
Sorry mate Plymouth 3-2 defeat and Fulham 5-1 defeat there was enough room on the terraces for the fans to have a game of 5 aside if there'd been enough to pick from.
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If you're talking about the Plymouth game I'm thinking about (weren't we 2 up and then lost 3-2 with Tommy Tynan scoring for them in the Paul Stewart days?), if so, itt was a midweek game, so hardly surprising there weren't many Blues there. A long way to Plymouth for an evening game. I had to take the day off work rent a car and drive down there as I couldn't get a train back.

Didn't get any points for it in those days though :-(
 
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KnaresboroughBlue said:
If you're talking about the Plymouth game I'm thinking about (weren't we 2 up and then lost 3-2 with Tommy Tynan scoring for them in the Paul Stewart days?), if so, itt was a midweek game, so hardly surprising there weren't many Blues there. A long way to Plymouth for an evening game. I had to take the day off work rent a car and drive down there as I couldn't get a train back.

Didn't get any points for it in those days though :-(
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the 3-2 we lost at Home Park after being 2-0 up was a Saturday game(the one Paul Stewart played in). However, I remember it clearly because the supporters club coach kept stopping at each service station to see if the game had been called off, most people thought there was no chance the game would be played there was so much flooding down there, don't think I have ever seen a pitch with so much sand on it
 
DontLookBackInAnger said:
the 3-2 we lost at Home Park after being 2-0 up was a Saturday game. However, I remember it clearly because the supporters club coach kept stopping at each service station to see if the game had been called off, don't think I have ever seen a pitch with so much sand on it
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I must be mixing 2 games up then. I didn't use to work weekends and for the game I'm thinking of, I remember having to take the day off work and drive down, so it must have been mid-week.
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
If you're talking about the Plymouth game I'm thinking about (weren't we 2 up and then lost 3-2 with Tommy Tynan scoring for them in the Paul Stewart days?), if so, itt was a midweek game, so hardly surprising there weren't many Blues there. A long way to Plymouth for an evening game. I had to take the day off work rent a car and drive down there as I couldn't get a train back.
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There was a game at Plymouth on a Sat too that finished 3-2 when we were 2-0 up. I went to it and wouldn’t have done if it was midweek. The turnout that day was in line with most others of that era. In the 80’s we got as low as 18000 at home so it’s no surprise away crowds were fairly low on the whole and as there was trouble virtually everywhere, there were few women and kids in those days. I went to Fulham in the 00’s and it ended 0-0 I think. Can’t have been more than 1000 there for that one yet the season earlier on the Friday night sky game, the end was full. Similar numbers at Millwall and Palace

By 2000’s numbers were up. These were from 03/04 first season in new stadium.

Don’t know how many of these were sold out as not sure of the allocations but these are the numbers and weren’t loyalty points really taking off at this point?

Charlton 2552
Blackburn 4287
TNS 6499
Fulham 3031
Wolves 3082
Lokeren 4007
Chelsea 1486 (think we only had the lower tier due to the club only taking that)
QPR 2335 (midweek game in cup)
Southampton 3170
Newcastle 2950
Groclin 987
Spurs 2301 (midweek)
Everton 3048
Rags 3057
Birmingham 2714 (Friday night)
Pompey 2238
Leicester 1896 (wed)
Arsenal 2716
Spurs 1952 (treated to the 4/3 comeback)
Liverpool 3020
United cup 9045
Bolton 2803
(Stops there as my programme was for the next game)

I think most of those games would have been sell outs going off that.

Would be interesting to see how it looks in 07/08 under Pearce. Anyone got that programme?

Programme also has ST prices in for following season .

SS1 and 2 - £368
Most expensive - £525

Mine is SS3 is £655 this year which I guess would have been similar. so based on those prices, a rise of 78% over 15 years.
 
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