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mcfc1632 said:
You might not intend to be posting in that manner - but read again your last 10 posts or so from the POV of English people that voted Leave - I have to say that they come across that way

Anyway - just saying - and trying to be helpful
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I have read his last 10 posts and they don't sound aggressive towards the english leavers, they sound based around irelands reaction to johnson premiership and a no deal scenario.

And tbf English leavers ain't the ones affected by border issues in a no deal scenario bar needing visas to enter mainland europe, it's the Irish and Northern Irish which will be fucked up as it's a land border.

If I was head of the EU I wouldn't wait till october if BJ becomes PM I would cut us loose and leave us to our own devices.

We reap what we sow allowing this wanker anywhere near No10 we don't deserve to be taken seriously as a nation or global player, more like a banana republic.
 
urban genie said:
I have read his last 10 posts and they don't sound aggressive towards the english leavers, they sound based around irelands reaction to johnson premiership and a no deal scenario.

And tbf English leavers ain't the ones affected by border issues in a no deal scenario bar needing visas to enter mainland europe, it's the Irish and Northern Irish which will be fucked up as it's a land border.

If I was head of the EU I wouldn't wait till october if BJ becomes PM I would cut us loose and leave us to our own devices.

We reap what we sow allowing this wanker anywhere near No10 we don't deserve to be taken seriously as a nation or global player, more like a banana republic.
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Agree with every word. How has it come to this?
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Are you referring to Britain or England, here?

The Romans pretty much ensured Britain wasn't a Gaelic or Welsh country and it hadn't been for centuries, which by then had the Angles, Saxons and Jutes arriving, who were already migrating to Britain whilst the Romans were here, but in smaller numbers. Once the Romans left, naturally the Anglo-Saxons filled the power vacuum void and settled permanently, over time forming several separate Thegndoms/Kingdoms which eventually unified and became Ængleland in 927.

"Great Britain" became a country in 1707. Britannia was never a "nation" in the traditional sense. It was the name the Romans gave to the people living here.

That sort of "It's not your country if you're English" is the same ignorant shit you're trying to ridicule. The country of England was founded by the English; that's why it's called England. The borders of the land it is settled on was owned by the Romans, who conquered the natives, who never formed a "nation" of Britain to begin with.
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Fucking Romans. What did the Romans ever do for us?
 
urban genie said:
I have read his last 10 posts and they don't sound aggressive towards the english leavers, they sound based around irelands reaction to johnson premiership and a no deal scenario.

And tbf English leavers ain't the ones affected by border issues in a no deal scenario bar needing visas to enter mainland europe, it's the Irish and Northern Irish which will be fucked up as it's a land border.

If I was head of the EU I wouldn't wait till october if BJ becomes PM I would cut us loose and leave us to our own devices.

We reap what we sow allowing this wanker anywhere near No10 we don't deserve to be taken seriously as a nation or global player, more like a banana republic.
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I guess you read what you want to read
 
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Imperial measures.. the arse
 
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Ancient Citizen said:
Well, start with him being forced to drive a Trabant to the hospital, it's all about equality.
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Sometimes even I find myself gobsmacked by peoples ignorance over Socialism.

For the sake of repeating myself once again, it is not about equality of outcome, it is about equality of opportunity. They are two distinct differences often confused by people who have not benefitted from equality of opportunity.
 
urban genie said:
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Dear Jacob

I am pleased to learn, you are no longer fit for purpose and I speculate due to the ongoing disappointment that you hopefully ascertain a meet with you will involve too many I's. I understand your concerns are unacceptable due to ongoing speculation over what you have got. Yourself are my equal, you snotty nosed ****.

Yours Faithfully

Rascal Esq. VD
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Socialist annoyed that a bloke spends his own money to find a cure for a form of terminal cancer for himself and other sufferers of the disease.

I don’t even know where to start
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You could start by learning to differentiate between Socialist and Collectivist.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Certainly not making any excuses for Cameron - but what has come to light since the referendum is that he was working with the likes of Rogers in those negotiations

No wonder the EU never felt they need to make any movement. I have continually said that the EU will not make movement until they are faced with the a viable walk-away option and the political will to use it. We should have been working full-steam for 3 years on putting in place the initiatives/programme to allow us to have a viable No-Deal.

That, IMO, was an obvious fact then - and is a glaringly obvious fact now.
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Why would the EU make any movement, we are part of the EU. I sometimes think that is overlooked. It is only after leaving will the UK be a separate entity and then be in a position to negotiate what if anything it can. All this walking away stuff is a nonsense, surely it was always the only option.

If I was a member of an exclusive social club and I announced I was leaving and then tried to negotiate still being able to use the snooker tables before I left I would be looked at as some sort of fucking idiot because I am leaving the exclusive social club. Its only after I have left and my membership has been cancelled can I then approach the exclusive social club with my offer to use the snooker tables. I would still probably be looked at as some sort of fucking idiot as the members of the exclusive social club would say "hold on, how can he use them, when I pay full dues to the club so I can use them" and then they might think fuck it, I am leaving too and I will spend my membership dues on more ale at the pub with next door. It might only have a pool table, but its my choice. The exclusive Social club might go bust and there will be no more snooker tables, but at least I can play pool in the pub.

No deal is the only option, you are a member of a club or you are not. You could be an associate member but you might still not be allowed to play on the snooker tables because that's for members only, but you always have the pool table at the pub next door.

I just wish that people would be honest about this, Johnson said you can have your cake and eat it, which is possibly one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever heard, because you cant, my rather simple analogy shows that,
 
Bluemanc100 said:
This is the point for me... it's the simple art of negotiation, have something you are prepared to use that the person across the table doesn't want

That's what makes the noise from Major and any other person saying lose no-deal or don't even contemplate circumventing parliament to force WTO sound so insane.. Hunt would be the EU's choice so hopefully (not that I like the guy) the Tory voters will do the right thing.

Boris is the only person who just might force the EU back to the table...
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See this is ridiculous, you are negotiating with yourself, you can only negotiate after you have left. Why cant they see that?

Why on earth would the EU allow Johnson to force them to do anything? As a member he cant negotiate, when we leave why would they want to negotiate. It is a paradox.
 
Rascal said:
Sometimes even I find myself gobsmacked by peoples ignorance over Socialism.

For the sake of repeating myself once again, it is not about equality of outcome, it is about equality of opportunity. They are two distinct differences often confused by people who have not benefitted from equality of opportunity.
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Doesn’t a capitalist economy offer the same opportunity?
 
Rascal said:
See this is ridiculous, you are negotiating with yourself, you can only negotiate after you have left. Why cant they see that?

Why on earth would the EU allow Johnson to force them to do anything? As a member he cant negotiate, when we leave why would they want to negotiate. It is a paradox.
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It sounds like you are making the assumption that we have nothing that the other EU member states want... it’s give and take, we do want things for, the EU but they also want goods and services that we provide
 
Rascal said:
Why would the EU make any movement, we are part of the EU. I sometimes think that is overlooked. It is only after leaving will the UK be a separate entity and then be in a position to negotiate what if anything it can. All this walking away stuff is a nonsense, surely it was always the only option.

If I was a member of an exclusive social club and I announced I was leaving and then tried to negotiate still being able to use the snooker tables before I left I would be looked at as some sort of fucking idiot because I am leaving the exclusive social club. Its only after I have left and my membership has been cancelled can I then approach the exclusive social club with my offer to use the snooker tables. I would still probably be looked at as some sort of fucking idiot as the members of the exclusive social club would say "hold on, how can he use them, when I pay full dues to the club so I can use them" and then they might think fuck it, I am leaving too and I will spend my membership dues on more ale at the pub with next door. It might only have a pool table, but its my choice. The exclusive Social club might go bust and there will be no more snooker tables, but at least I can play pool in the pub.

No deal is the only option, you are a member of a club or you are not. You could be an associate member but you might still not be allowed to play on the snooker tables because that's for members only, but you always have the pool table at the pub next door.

I just wish that people would be honest about this, Johnson said you can have your cake and eat it, which is possibly one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever heard, because you cant, my rather simple analogy shows that,
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Well - I can agree with a lot of what you say in relation to your simplistic analogy - but that is not how A50 is supposed to work.

A50 provides for the: ".....negotiation of a withdrawal agreement between the EU and the withdrawing state, defining in particular the latter's future relationship with the Union

It has been wholly down to the incompetence of Robbins and May that the UK has allowed the EU to determine the order and process of how matters will be managed. With competent senior figures and professional negotiators the last 3 years would have been managed in an entirely different manner.
 
Bluemanc100 said:
It sounds like you are making the assumption that we have nothing that the other EU member states want... it’s give and take, we do want things for, the EU but they also want goods and services that we provide
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I am not convinced there is anything much the UK can offer that is not readily available with the EU now.

The only way to find out is leave, then it will become clearer because at the moment the UK are part of the EU. It might be nothing, or it might be Melton Mowbray pies, who knows whilst we remain part of it.
 
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