Today's shooting in America thread

Trump condemning bigotry and using the God card, but not a hint of gun control.

For the supposed most advanced country in the world they are amazingly backward and stupid when it comes to guns, they have not advanced since the days of the Wild West.
 
The issue is that the legal proliferation of them to this point makes it nearly impossible to rein them in now because no one wants the inevitable bloodbath between those who refuse to relinquish them and law enforcement/military attempting to confiscate them. Tens of thousands of Americans would barricade themselves in their homes rather than give up their firearms. I am not joking. It really comes down to that. It's on par with slavery as a dividing point. Repeal of 2A would result in Civil War 2.
Fucking weirdos.
 
Trump probably isn't a straightforward racist

But he uses racism to further his agenda

And it's no surprise that when he says something inflammatory one or two of the hundreds of millions of Americans will take that as a green light
 
200 mass shootings in America in the last 18 months - 85% done by the radical right.

Who has radicalised these people ?

I agree with the comment that his actions,and lack of,have stirred up the problems we see everyday in America,and that he is happy for that to continue as much of his support stems from people with radical/extreme belief.

Trump could,if he chose,be a man who made the difference.....he could amend gun laws,or even abolish the ease at which they are owned and obtained,but he wont because,as has been said,these are 'his' people,and without them he wouldn't be in office.
 
NRA didn't even bother with "thoughts and prayers" this time around.

Back when the US constitution was written a gun could shoot about 2 rounds a minute. I don't think its writers envisaged a world where people would be running around with AK47's. Should I have the "right to bear" a Nuclear Weapon if I so choose?

It's absurd - but if Republicans want to keep blaming "mental illness" (It's always "mental illness" when its a white man, I never saw anyone seriously considering whether the 9/11 hijackers did what they did because they couldn't access adequate mental health resources) that's fine too. That would mean that we should actually invest money in improving mental health access for people who don't have it. Medicare for all or the expansion of Medicaid in the states that don't already have it would assist with that.
 
Trump condemning bigotry and using the God card, but not a hint of gun control.

For the supposed most advanced country in the world they are amazingly backward and stupid when it comes to guns, they have not advanced since the days of the Wild West.
What gets me is hiding behind laws meant for an uncivilized time where whoever had the biggest gun had the last word. The argument that it is hard to get a gun i find an offense to humanity to. Hard compared to where, fucking somalia?

You are spot on, they have not pushed on in society nearly enough in this regard.

The amount of people who if not having a gun would see them and others alive this day makes me weep almost. Some 19yo who has a bad time and goes on a rampage. If he could not get that gun they likely just get pissed and brick their exes window. Something they can smile and cringe about 20 years in the future when they have kids and would never dream of shooting someone. It seems so easy to see red and grab a gun in the USA.

I do accept a lot of these are well planned pre meditated attacks but if the guns were not there then no mass shootings.
 
Trump probably isn't a straightforward racist

But he uses racism to further his agenda

And it's no surprise that when he says something inflammatory one or two of the hundreds of millions of Americans will take that as a green light
He wants to ban Muslims
He wants to ban immigrants from Mexico/Central America but is fine w/ immigrants from Europe
He is allowing brown children to be kept in cages after separating them from their families (the same thing that happened during slavery)
He was fined for discriminatory practices (not allowing blacks to live in his buildings) during the 70s
He was fined by the NJ gaming commission for removing black dealers from the floor of his casino

He is a straightforward racist.
 
A very short and useful history of the NRA's transformation since Bobby Kennedy's assassination:

https://progressive.org/dispatches/the-shooting-of-robert-kennedy-transformation-of-NRA-80605/

President Johnson was renowned as a wily political operator who could successfully shepherd legislation through an unfriendly Congress; his administration passed groundbreaking laws including the Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts. But even he was unable to overcome opposition from America’s gun lobby.

“By ‘68, Johnson had lost power in Congress and his prestige had gone down due to the Vietnam War,” says Jeremi Suri, a history professor at the University of Texas at Austin, and author of The Impossible Presidency: The Rise and Fall of America's Highest Office. “It’s too bad he hadn’t pushed earlier—it was a real missed opportunity, as he probably would have succeeded in ’64 after JFK’s assassination.”

Four months after Robert Kennedy’s death, Johnson managed to secure a gun control bill. But due to NRA lobbying and Johnson’s diminished powers, it lacked key provisions he sought, such as national registration of guns and the licensing of owners. The 1968 bill marked the beginning of the NRA’s transformation from a gun enthusiast organization focused on marksmanship and gun safety to a political lobbying group focused on opposing gun control.

Historically, gun ownership and gun regulation had not been partisan issues, nor had they been matters of constitutional debate, historian Jill Lepore and author of These Truths: A History of the United States, tells me in an interview. But this began to change in the 1960s, she argues, not because of the NRA but because black nationalists such as Malcolm X and the Black Panthers began citing the right to own a rifle or shotgun to support their agendas.

As the 1970s progressed, the NRA began to take advantage of a growing conservative backlash against civil rights and feminist movements. Gun rights became a conservative political movement for whites.

“If, in the 1960s, the gun debate took place in the shadow of the Black Power movement, in the 1970s it took place in the shadow of a growing White Power movement,” Lepore says.

In the years following Johnson’s 1968 gun control legislation, the NRA has fought steadily to roll it back. Despite these efforts, the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act passed in 1993 after an assassination attempt on President Ronald Reagan, followed in 1994 by the Federal Assault Weapons Ban. But the assault weapons ban included a sunset provision, meaning it would expire after ten years. Since it sunsetted in 2004, no politician has managed to reinstate it.
 
He wants to ban Muslims
He wants to ban immigrants from Mexico/Central America but is fine w/ immigrants from Europe
He is allowing brown children to be kept in cages after separating them from their families (the same thing that happened during slavery)
He was fined for discriminatory practices (not allowing blacks to live in his buildings) during the 70s
He was fined by the NJ gaming commission for removing black dealers from the floor of his casino

He is a straightforward racist.
He wanted five black lads executed in the 80"s, youngest being 14, most people back then thought they shouldn't of been locked up. Even when they were all exonerated he still thinks their guilty.
Obama's birther saga he pursued
The Muslim gold star mum he insulted,

The list is endless. He's a fuckin Racist.
 
Trump probably isn't a straightforward racist

But he uses racism to further his agenda

And it's no surprise that when he says something inflammatory one or two of the hundreds of millions of Americans will take that as a green light
I'm not sure what the difference is between a straightforward racist and a not straightforward racist.

I'm also wondering how it's possible to tell the difference between a racist and someone who acts like one. Surely the act of doing racist things is sufficient to demonstrate that he is one.

Maybe @FantasyIreland can explain.
 
I'm not sure what the difference is between a straightforward racist and a not straightforward racist.

I'm also wondering how it's possible to tell the difference between a racist and someone who acts like one. Surely the act of doing racist things is sufficient to demonstrate that he is one.

Maybe @FantasyIreland can explain.


I know its the wrong thread .. but Ive got a crisp £20 note that bets @FantasyIreland voted leave for Brexit ....
 

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