VAR (PL introduction 2019)

[Bluearmy]

I agree with regards to the intent of use, but we've seen a different reality. I've seen them pull play back to something that happened on the other side of the pitch as an excuse. It will never be an objective interpretation. Once you grasp the corruption In the game, you'll better understand the reasons. We just have to get on with it. Doesn't mean that it's not a sham.

Which example???

 

[rnblade]

Unless we have full transparency, it will always be the interpretation of the official person viewing it.
We will no doubt be getting fcuked over by VAR this season on numerous occasions, with the officials ‘not having that angle’, yet all those watching at home do.
Televised corruption inbound.

 

[jayfx]

It will be a different game , you go with this new game or you want the game we all fell in love with to remain the same , non of us know how it will ultimately work out but we all have our own ideas but it will change the game .

It doesn't have to change the game too much but I fear it will. I worry refs and linesmen will start relying on rather than trusting their initial judgement.
If it cuts diving out of the game, that will be a plus, but I'm worried about the game becoming very stop-start. The worst bit will be goals being disallowed or even beijng allowed but having to wait before celebrating, rather than feeling that instant ecstasy when the ball hits the back of the net.

I was all for it, however, after that UCL game v spurs, I'm completely against it!

 

[stonerblue]

Don't agree. It will give a significant improvement over the current flawed/corrupt system. It wont ever correct 100% of decisions, to think it will is unfair partly due to the subjective nature of some decisions and the old human error/misapplication of the rules which will still happen on occasion. However, the 6 point swing against City in the first 6 games of last season, where Liverpool gained 4 points they didn't deserve and we lost 2 points away at wolves to a goal which was both offside and handball will be eradicated! VAR should level the playing field considerably against the current joke of a system.

Yeah, if only they'd have had var, we might have won the league..

 

[Steve68]

Which example???

I think it was the U19 (?) this summer. Ref called for VAR over something in one box and then went back down the pitch and awarded a belated penalty in the other. Might have been the Women’s WC. Either way that’s completely out of order.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I think it was the U19 (?) this summer. Ref called for VAR over something in one box and then went back down the pitch and awarded a belated penalty in the other. Might have been the Women’s WC. Either way that’s completely out of order.

Nations Cup semifinal, I think. Portugal were awarded a penalty. On VAR review, the ref gave Switzerland a penalty for something that had occurred a few seconds beforehand (Portugal broke up the pitch). There was remarkably little on-pitch complaint.

 

[Bluearmy]

Yeah, if only they'd have had var, we might have won the league..

This time it didn't effect the outcome negatively. Although they did their best! Next time we might not be so lucky!!

 

[Bluearmy]

I think it was the U19 (?) this summer. Ref called for VAR over something in one box and then went back down the pitch and awarded a belated penalty in the other. Might have been the Women’s WC. Either way that’s completely out of order.

So VAR gave the first incident which was missed initially by the officials unfairly, which stopped an unfair second decision changing the game completely.... What's the problem??

 

[Bluearmy]

Nations Cup semifinal, I think. Portugal were awarded a penalty. On VAR review, the ref gave Switzerland a penalty for something that had occurred a few seconds beforehand (Portugal broke up the pitch). There was remarkably little on-pitch complaint.

Totally disingenuous post...

Steven Zuber claims a penalty after a foul by Portugal’s Nelson Semedo. Referee Felix Brych doesn’t see it and waves play on.
Portugal sweep up the field and Bernardo Silva is fouled in the Switzerland penalty area by Fabian Schar. Brych sees it this time and awards a penalty.
The VAR official let’s Brych know he needs to have a look at the original incident and he does so on his pitchside monitor.
Once Brych see's the incident again, he see's clearly the Semedo clip on the heels of Zuber and reverses his incorrect original decision and awards Switzerland the penalty from which they score, which is the correct outcome. Portugal obviously don't get the penalty they were awarded


So VAR worked perfectly and corrected an injustice!!

 

[Deleted member 77198]

It doesn't have to change the game too much but I fear it will. I worry refs and linesmen will start relying on rather than trusting their initial judgement.
If it cuts diving out of the game, that will be a plus, but I'm worried about the game becoming very stop-start. The worst bit will be goals being disallowed or even beijng allowed but having to wait before celebrating, rather than feeling that instant ecstasy when the ball hits the back of the net.

I was all for it, however, after that UCL game v spurs, I'm completely against it!

It was the CL game at home to Schalke that changed my mind. It was a total farce.

Didn’t know what was going on. Didn’t even know the ref had gone to VAR for the goals. Then it came up on the screen that the goals were allowed, it ruined the celebration of the goals, so we didn’t bother celebrating the rest of the goals at all as we were waiting for VAR to come up again. But the players were all back on the half way line and the game kicked off.

Goals in games were celebrated, ridiculous!

 

[Steve68]

So VAR gave the first incident which was missed initially by the officials unfairly, which stopped an unfair second decision changing the game completely.... What's the problem??

If you don’t see a problem with retrospective decisions of this sort what can I say except wait for the unparalleled outrage storm when it happens in one of our games.

 

[Steve68]

Totally disingenuous post...

Steven Zuber claims a penalty after a foul by Portugal’s Nelson Semedo. Referee Felix Brych doesn’t see it and waves play on.
Portugal sweep up the field and Bernardo Silva is fouled in the Switzerland penalty area by Fabian Schar. Brych sees it this time and awards a penalty.
The VAR official let’s Brych know he needs to have a look at the original incident and he does so on his pitchside monitor.
Once Brych see's the incident again, he see's clearly the Semedo clip on the heels of Zuber and reverses his incorrect original decision and awards Switzerland the penalty from which they score, which is the correct outcome. Portugal obviously don't get the penalty they were awarded


So VAR worked perfectly and corrected an injustice!!

So how far back do you want to see retrospective ‘justice’ applied? One minute, two, five?

 

[1961_vintage]

Don't agree. It will give a significant improvement over the current flawed/corrupt system. VAR should level the playing field considerably against the current joke of a system.

You do realise that the bent decision making machine which does everything possible to enhance the success of its two favourite global cash-cows (rags and Liverpool) is the same machine that will be responsible for how VAR is applied?

 

[trotsky]

You do realise that the bent decision making machine which does everything possible to enhance the success of its two favourite global cash-cows (rags and Liverpool) is the same machine that will be responsible for how VAR is applied?

True - but they will not be able to hide every injustice. The handled goal against Wolves last season, for example, would not have stood. The push in the back on Raheem as he was sure to score against Spurs would have been a pen and a sending off. The blatant infringements can not be hid and dismissed, if they are the injustice will be indisputable and there for all to see - no more talk of tin-foil hats.
VAR is definitely a step in the right direction for us - it's not perfect but it's better.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Commentator making a great point about VAR - people moaning about a player being a toe poke offside and it should be just given - shall we say the same when the ball doesn't cross the line by a few millimetres ..’’just give it’’

Technology is making the game much fairer, better and even more entertaining.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Totally disingenuous post...

Steven Zuber claims a penalty after a foul by Portugal’s Nelson Semedo. Referee Felix Brych doesn’t see it and waves play on.
Portugal sweep up the field and Bernardo Silva is fouled in the Switzerland penalty area by Fabian Schar. Brych sees it this time and awards a penalty.
The VAR official let’s Brych know he needs to have a look at the original incident and he does so on his pitchside monitor.
Once Brych see's the incident again, he see's clearly the Semedo clip on the heels of Zuber and reverses his incorrect original decision and awards Switzerland the penalty from which they score, which is the correct outcome. Portugal obviously don't get the penalty they were awarded


So VAR worked perfectly and corrected an injustice!!

You have misinterpreted my post. I did not suggest that the process produced the wrong outcome.

 

[mancityvstoke]

Commentator making a great point about VAR - people moaning about a player being a toe poke offside and it should be just given - shall we say the same when the ball doesn't cross the line by a few millimetres ..’’just give it’’

Technology is making the game much fairer, better and even more entertaining.

maybe on telly but not at the game...IMHO

 

[richardtheref]

The one I picked up on yesterday was they said that the VAR has picked up an attempted kick towards Bernie by Trent AA. They then indicated that the officials had deemed no further action as it had not connected. Well last I looked in the laws of the game attempting to kick your opponent was classed as violent conduct and should be an automatic red. Nowhere does it state that you have to connect with attempted kick, punch, head butt etc

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

The one I picked up on yesterday was they said that the VAR has picked up an attempted kick towards Bernie by Trent AA. They then indicated that the officials had deemed no further action as it had not connected. Well last I looked in the laws of the game attempting to kick your opponent was classed as violent conduct and should be an automatic red. Nowhere does it state that you have to connect with attempted kick, punch, head butt etc

Him and Robertson were at it all game. Leaving their feet in and shoving players after the ball had gone.
None of our players fell for it. Atkinson should've at least had a word with them, but decided not to bother.
I wouldn't mind, but we know if the boot was on the other foot.....

 

[BlueAnorak]

How many times, there's no clear and obvious on offsides/goal line decisions. Its either off or on / over the line or not.

For offside, It kind of depends where the VAR official decides when the ball was passed/headed/touched. The rules where changed a few years ago to indicate that the decision point was now as soon as the ball is touched (replacing the previous decision point when the ball was released).
I have no problem with this, the problem I have is that this decision point is never shown as part as the TV VAR decision, so how can it be validated? There just isn't any transparency.