Var debate 2019/20

For the spuds second goal they fouled the villa lad and kane was coming back from a clear offside position, yet surprise surprise no VAR
 
paulchapo said:
The chalked off third goal was a brilliant passage of play. Then it's disallowed because a fraction of Sterling's arm was supposedly offside. Which is subjective on when the person watching the replay freezes the frame. Var wasn't brought in for marginal decisions like this. It was brought in to correct clear errors, or something missed by the officials. They need to quickly stop shit like this happening or it will just lead to a whole shitstorm of accusations when other teams score similar goals and they are allowed.
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My thoughts exactly, I understood it will be for CLEAR and OBVIOUS errors, Raheems was certainly NOT CLEAR and OBVIOUS!!!
 
Gabriel said:
Good coverage of both VAR goals by Andy Gray on YouTube. They show that where the VAR people decide impact was made determined offside/onside, but in the two cases today they seem to have been inconsistent. In the first one, the ball is fractionally away and hence offside, but in the second they take it from the moment Mahrez makes contact, which is why Sterling ends up onside. That needs to be consistent.
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It does, and this is why you need to show the decision point where the passer first touches the ball in a pass movement and be able to synchronise that view with the offside line. The current system is inaccurate.
 
VOOMER said:
For the spuds second goal they fouled the villa lad and kane was coming back from a clear offside position, yet surprise surprise no VAR
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VAR doesn’t check for free kicks and Kane wasn’t offside as it came off a Villa player.
 
55yr old teenager said:
My thoughts exactly, I understood it will be for CLEAR and OBVIOUS errors, Raheems was certainly NOT CLEAR and OBVIOUS!!!
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Offside doesn't fall under clear and obvious.

As per the PL: "Factual decisions such as whether a player is onside or offside, or inside or outside the penalty area, will not be subject to the clear and obvious test."
 
Bert Trautmann's Parachute said:
No communal spontaneous celebrations for something like that anymore. And it might have been brought back for the Lescott nudge at the throw-in which might have been ruled a foul. Christ knows where this will end.
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Hypothetically...what if that Agueroooo moment was ruled out for offside by the lino ?

Spontaneous celebration squashed and knowing a perfectly good goal was chalked off by the lino , something all fans have had to put up with for years and years.

Teams have been relegated because of officials getting it completely wrong and having to guess on situations. If anything VAR is highlighting how many incorrect decisions we’ve always allowed.
 
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Gabriel said:
Good coverage of both VAR goals by Andy Gray on YouTube. They show that where the VAR people decide impact was made determined offside/onside, but in the two cases today they seem to have been inconsistent. In the first one, the ball is fractionally away and hence offside, but in the second they take it from the moment Mahrez makes contact, which is why Sterling ends up onside. That needs to be consistent.
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Has Andy Gray actually been to a briefing on how it works in the PL, or is he just assuming he knows ?

Walton today was quite clear that it's (new) technology based in the PL, some of our pundits seem to have been briefed on the technology based decisions, so must have seen it working first hand.

Walton also said the manager and captain of each club were shown it in action last week, and he says they were all very happy with it.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Could get a bit farcical, a team defending a 1-0 lead could use the two reviews in injury time to disrupt the game and time waste, manager saying they want a throw in to be reviewed etc.
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There would be a list of what can or can't be reviewed, not everything in cricket is reviewed by the team, sometimes its by the officials.
 
Gabriel said:
Good coverage of both VAR goals by Andy Gray on YouTube. They show that where the VAR people decide impact was made determined offside/onside, but in the two cases today they seem to have been inconsistent. In the first one, the ball is fractionally away and hence offside, but in the second they take it from the moment Mahrez makes contact, which is why Sterling ends up onside. That needs to be consistent.
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That’s due to the footage that is available due to the 28/sec frames not enough to determine contact
 
Getting it *right* is important, but not for the sake of losing the passion of the game imo. Being unable to celebrate goals is ridiculous, you lose the essence of being a fan completely.
 
The one positive it will cost Liverpool 40% of there goals .If Var had been in last season we would have won the league in April
 
I wasn’t aware until today that the use of VAR is being used different in the league to that of european competition.

Although there is a pitchside review screen for the ref, it’s not likely to be called upon in the league.

It’s going to need time to get used to it. I will probably just be getting used to it and then the champs league will kick in with a different approach.
 
simmo said:
I wasn’t aware until today that the use of VAR is being used different in the league to that of european competition.

Although there is a pitchside review screen for the ref, it’s not likely to be called upon in the league.

It’s going to need time to get used to it. I will probably just be getting used to it and then the champs league will kick in with a different approach.
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VAR, or rather the way it is being used is far from perfect and although it isn’t ideal to be using a different version of VAR it is what it is. I watch the UFC and the rules change depending on where they’re staging the event using whatever “rules” the local commission uses. Once you understand the difference in the rules it’s not really that difficult to adjust.
That’s part of the problem with VAR - folk don’t know what the actual rules are and keep moaning about something they haven’t bothered to google to ensure they understand fully, it’s happened a few times on here today. Most of them have already decided they don’t want or like VAR and aren’t prepared to even begin to try and understand it.
Not much posted about the penalty retake VAR decision from today though.
 
Still in the "it's fucking shite" camp.

They should tackle the root issues of bad officiating instead of providing officials with another layer of cotton wool.
 
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