Spurs (H) Post Match Thread

Chippy_boy said:
IMO the law needs to be changed back to how it was, i.e. that if the ball hits your arm and there's **** all you can do about it, it is not handball.

The laws since the beginning of the game 100+ years ago were founded on the principle that you can control the ball with your feet, head, shoulders, arse, whatever... but not your hands.

If you haven't used you hands/arms to control the ball, then I think that should be fine.
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After this season is finished they should change the law to something more common sense but bot before IMO.

Just have VAR show the evidence of the ball touching the arm. And use this disallowed goal as the baseline to judge everything else against.

I don't want to see Liverpool for example benefiting from a change in the law or it's interpretation because they got it wrong in our case which cost us 2 points. Let them also suffer the same faith and perhaps the same points loss.
 
TonyM said:
After this season is finished they should change the law to something more common sense but bot before IMO.

Just have VAR show the evidence of the ball touching the arm. And use this disallowed goal as the baseline to judge everything else against.

I don't want to see Liverpool for example benefiting from a change in the law or it's interpretation because they got it wrong in our case which cost us 2 points. Let them also suffer the same faith and perhaps the same points loss.
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2 points is nothing mate, there's 36 games to go.

Keep it as it is, and we'll be losing more and more points IMO, whereas Liverpool's fouls will be conveniently ignored.

Don't believe me? Watch this space.
 
Referees should come out after games and explain their decisions, cos if Oliver comes out and says he saw the Rodri/lamela incident and there was not enough in it to warrant a penalty then he shouldn't be a premier league referee, if he says he didn't/couldn't see it then he should have asked for assistance, both ways it was poor refereeing. VAR will kill football as we know it.
 
Still stunned by how poor Ederson's positioning was for Spurs' first goal. Horrendous. He genuinely has no idea where his posts are.

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7evens said:
Still stunned by how poor Ederson's positioning was for Spurs' first goal. Horrendous. He genuinely has no idea where his posts are.

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Agree that was not exactly his finest moment. He nearly got a hand to it and with better positioning would and should have saved that comfortably.

To be fair to the bloke, he'd probably nodded off.
 
jim tolmies perm said:
Sorry if I've misundestood but doesn't it say if "A PLAYER. " touches or gains possession with " THEIR" hand/arm , meaning Laporte didn't gain possession Gaby did and Gaby never handballed it
Bloody confused
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and thats the bit that is unclear......if laporte had gained possession (ie the ball at his feet) and them slammed it home it would and should have been disallowed (I wonder what would have happened if he had headed it onto his own arm and it had done in (ie head to arm to goal without anyone else touching it) - agin probably righfully disallowed. However the team have gained possession and we have gained an advantage because of it (ie possession of the ball which doesnt go to Gabby possibly if the deflection off the arm doesnt happen)

for me the defelction off the arm has given us possession and therefore a handball is part of the build up to the goal (and has a direct impact on it)....
 
cibaman said:
I think the law is being interpreted on the basis that because the ball travelled directly from Laporte’s arm to Jesus then it must have created a goal scoring opportunity. But the ball barely deviated on its way to Jesus. It seems to me that the correct question should be “Did the ball only arrive at Jesus’s feet because It touched Laporte’s arm?”. I think the law needs to be clarified so that there needs to be a significant deviation in the trajectory, speed or bounce of the ball for it to count as creating a goal scoring opportunity.
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the law does need to be clarified...again it would be very difficult to tell whether GJ would have got the ball or not....it could be argued that the deflection off the arm made it eaiser to ontrol as it slowed the ball down but alternatively it could be argues that the deflection made it harder to control cause if Gabby had seen it coming anyway he would have had to readjust to take the deflection into account....
 
Tricky_Trev said:
The way I read it is that since it starts with “if a PLAYER... gains possession/control AFTER the ball hitting his arm” it would mean that Laporte would have had to (accidentally) gain possession of the ball himself, not the team, but himself. I don’t know. I don’t think it’s particularly clear, and there are enough grey areas to allow goals for some teams and disallow them for others.
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yeah i agree in someway but there was something said about the the fact that there has been a handball in part of the build up to the goal as well - i dont know if this is in the rules anywhere....or it may have been something someone wrote or said.....

Id love to hear the official explanation with the rules beig used to define the explanation.
 
Chippy_boy said:
IMO the law needs to be changed back to how it was, i.e. that if the ball hits your arm and there's **** all you can do about it, it is not handball.

The laws since the beginning of the game 100+ years ago were founded on the principle that you can control the ball with your feet, head, shoulders, arse, whatever... but not your hands.

If you haven't used you hands/arms to control the ball, then I think that should be fine.
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I agree. We lost out at Wolves a year ago but I can’t say I was that aggrieved about it. The rule change seems to be a solution in search of a problem
 
karen7 said:
You are a doormat and swallowed the line hook line and sinker
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Hahaha...bollocks....Im just apable of seeing all sides and not afraid or brainwashed to see the fact that sometimes we dont get always what we think should happen...like someone else said...i wonder if city fans are becoming a little too entitled....?

you have to accept, you me and all the fans have no control over what goes on on the pitch in terms of ref's decisions and the rules.......mayeb get yourself down to PIGMOL head quarters, set up a tent and camp outside protesting to get a change to the rules eh...then i might respect your comments!
 
Bunchofdickovs said:
It is the correct decision . It's not a decision recently made up but a law that's been modified in the game to stop unfair advantages . There are a LOT of players out there that can manipulate that handball rule as it was . Accidental handball should result in a dropped ball . The speed of thought of the modern athlete mean they can practice 'accidental' looking handballs in training and take that out onto the field of play . You can't read a players mind so this is a fair rule .

As an amateur footballer when i was younger i would have apologised and said " sorry , that hit my hand" .Ball to hand but it was still the sporting thing to do - if it bounced away and possession went back to the other side then nothing needed to be said .

Perhaps sporting behaviour is being driven out of the game . It feels like having something that is right go against us and not be wrongly given as a goal is harder to accept than actually saying " you know what ? we'd have been mightily pissed off if that had been a winner allowed for spurs" .

Be aggrieved at not getting a penalty but don't be aggrieved at a correct decision .
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kinkysdribble said:
Referees should come out after games and explain their decisions, cos if Oliver comes out and says he saw the Rodri/lamela incident and there was not enough in it to warrant a penalty then he shouldn't be a premier league referee, if he says he didn't/couldn't see it then he should have asked for assistance, both ways it was poor refereeing. VAR will kill football as we know it.
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Referees now has a get out! He just went to is ear and shook is head like its nowt to do with me The Var men not let me know its a pen!
 
simon23 said:
Hahaha...bollocks....Im just apable of seeing all sides and not afraid or brainwashed to see the fact that sometimes we dont get always what we think should happen...like someone else said...i wonder if city fans are becoming a little too entitled....?

you have to accept, you me and all the fans have no control over what goes on on the pitch in terms of ref's decisions and the rules.......mayeb get yourself down to PIGMOL head quarters, set up a tent and camp outside protesting to get a change to the rules eh...then i might respect your comments!
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Too entitled is bollocks,this is literally nothing to do with that,i have a saying,a healthy mind questions everything,no other team has had this crap 2 weeks running so we have the right to complain,the more we complain the more it gets picked up in the media and whoever is using var to screw teams over gets a message,they need to rethink the rules and not just say it's here so suck it up which is what you are saying,when they stop experimenting on us and we see it being applied to every team then the better,they is not a chance in hell off that rugby tackle not being given to salad,mane or rashford,we are the dominant team so lets be anal about the odd mm or it maybe hiting an arm,if you want to roll over and take it then thats your right
 
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