Another new Brexit thread

[Vic]

Your English is really slopping today - perhaps you are less confident at the moment than previously

Let me help you

Give over you say?

1. Are they doing it intentionally - without any shadow of a doubt

2. Will it harm the UK’s negotiating position - without any shadow of a doubt

Not difficult mate - just objectivity required

My English is slopping?

 

[mcfc1632]

Opt outs were treated as victories when what was happening was the EU were happy for us to marginalise our influence on important decisions - in true Dunkirk Spirit we turned defeats into victories in our own minds

Someone else not too keen on the UK?

Has this been Boris's fault as well all these years?

 

[Vic]

People are probably sick of hearing me say it, but I was fully supportive of the UK re-joining the EFTA, who already has deals in place with the EU. That's the relationship I wanted the UK to have with Europe and the EU. That whole "ruletakers, not rulemakers" argument didn't resonate with me as it wasn't something I cared about.

I was fully surprised that the Govt. and Parl't didn't entertain the idea, but in the early days all the talk was of "Hard Brexit" and "soft brexit".

Parliament might have entertained the idea but May's red lines ended the possibility. May's red lines meant hard Brexit.

 

[mcfc1632]

I've never come across anyone who thinks this. Why are you suggesting this is even a myth?

Convenient way to smear the UK?

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I didn't know about the Garden of Remembrance until the Queen laying a wreath at it was mentioned in the Guardian article @Rascal posted. It seems to be dedicated to the memory of "all those who gave their lives in the cause of Irish Freedom." My grandfather was a civilian killed in those hostilities so the other place you mention is not appropriate. If the Garden just commemorates the freedom fighters and not the innocent lives lost as a result of the uprisings, then they should reconsider. Many other war memorials are dedicated to all the casualties of conflict.

Apologies. I thought your father fought in the war as many Irish men did. The Garden of Remembrance is for "all those who gave their lives in the cause of Irish Freedom". So in my book that does include your father, whatever his views on the subject.
She did also visit the Irish national War memorial which was rather significant from a republican point of view. It had long been a sore point that Irish people who fought principally in the WWI were never acknowledged in this country.

 

[mcfc1632]

I don't think you understand the process of getting a treaty through both houses and into law.

Oh I do

But that is you seeking to hide I think

There needs to be a deal to put before the HoC before next steps

The HoC just wants to orevarucate and p l at silly Remainder games.

This approach will focus some minds and - if successful we will see what - if any movement the EU will make

 

[aguero93:20]

Oh I do

But that is you seeking to hide I think

There needs to be a deal to put before the HoC before next steps

The HoC just wants to orevarucate and p l at silly Remainder games.

This approach will focus some minds and - if successful we will see what - if any movement the EU will make

Even if a deal is put in front of them and supporting legislation backtracked, it would take weeks to get the necessary done. Yet Johnson says he's seeking a deal, he'll be out on the 31st deal or no deal and then suspends parliament denying them the time to pass the legislation needed for either no deal or a deal. Yet you believe him...

 

[west didsblue]

The HoC just wants to orevarucate and p l at silly Remainder games.

I put that in Google translate and am still none the wiser.

 

[George Hannah]

Just watching the HoC Foreign Affairs Questions and the almost universally appalling quality of the Opposition contribution. Their questions are usually little more than shallow soundbytes, delivered clumsily and rancorously - Thornberry's efforts were characteristically disgusting and set the standard. To see the performance of those individuals chosen by Corbyn's Labour party to represent us in parliamentary debate and to provide an intelligent and effective opposition to the Tories is just shocking.

 

[Vic]

So - you claiming that to be Johnson:s fault?

You are really accelerating your digging

Someone or something might be at fault for the 18% drop in value since the referendum.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Someone or something might be at fault for the 18% drop in value since the referendum.

Dithering and uncertainty are at fault. This won't be helped by endless extensions.

 

[Dribble]

But you said - why should the EU have to find a solution to the backstop

If you tried harder to both read what others post and also take more care in the wording of your own posts it would be better

The mandate is to leave the EU

During the negotiations an issue that has arisen is the question of the border

Albeit a disgusting contrivance that will be used and abused by the EU for purposes way beyond the border issue - May accepted that into a draft treaty

The draft Treaty was not approved and currently has not legal standing

The backstop is not something that needs a solution by either the EU or the UK - which is what I said

As I said - try reading - ideally without pre-disposition

So in summary, instead of answering my question, you'd rather nitpick & fudge around the edges. OK, for the 4th time of asking:

The Irish border is the issue.

The backstop was an agreed solution.

You quoted:

"Certainly the EU have no need to find a solution for the backstop - and neither have the UK"

So why would the EU need to find a solution for the backstop, when the backstop was their agreed solution with the UK government for the Irish border question?

I'll sit here patiently whilst you dig up an answer which makes sense.



Also, whilst you're at it, can you explain what your views on the EU were in the early 90s, & why?

 

[George Hannah]

Can't folk just use ordinary spacing and fonts?

 

[Blue Hefner]

I'm not overly sure which thread to pot this in but here seems a good a place as any:

 

[Dribble]

I think 'no deal' is as much the fault of those who thought they could force us to remain by voting down the WA as those who voted it down for other reasons. A lot of crying over spilt milk, and rather typically those who have enjoyed the finer points of parliamentary procedure over the past year or so now seem most unhappy when it doesn't play to their agenda.

Funnily enough, I'm sure the Tory hard right voted against leaving Europe with a deal? Moving forward, Nazi Nige has said today that the Brexit Party won't stand against the Tories, if they commit to a NO DEAL Brexit.

You were saying?

 

[Don Karleone]

He really is a ****

 

[west didsblue]

I'm not overly sure which thread to pot this in but here seems a good a place as any:

Reports are that he walked across the floor of the HoC while Johnson was speaking!

 

[west didsblue]

He really is a ****

That doesn't narrow it down much.
Which one in particular are you referring to?

 

[Dribble]

Ok, slightly wrong, 'No deal is better than the one we've got' which is a bad deal no?
If it triggered a referendum, it must have been.
Then, there are a myriad of remain quotes informing us in no uncertain terms that we leave, deal or no deal, so the act
of leaving was, and is, quite clear, but this constant reference exercise in past quotes is now irrelevant.

Actually, totally wrong.

The question was where was no deal given as an option by the hard left, before or during the referendum? You quoted:

"'No deal is better than the one we've got' which is a bad deal no?"

The inference is that this was said AFTER the referendum with reference to this part of the statement: "Better than the one we've got". So again, WHERE, WHEN & by WHOM was a NO DEAL Brexit stated as a stated aim that the public willingly voted for? In fact I recall hearing a deal with all the benefits of the single market, but none of the drawbacks of being a member of the EU would be a piece of piss to attain.

I'll make another brew whilst you dig up another pearler for the Bluemoon masses.

 

[Vic]

Dithering and uncertainty are at fault. This won't be helped by endless extensions.

Nor by leaving without a deal. Where's the certainty in that for business? See that rather good spectatorblog article posted yesterday.