Var debate 2019/20

Newman Noggs said:
For me, this is the point. A goal has never been scored that you couldn't disallow if you look hard enough for a reason.
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This is the point I made when West Brom had a goal disallowed at Anfield last season. There were two 'grappling' offences by Liverpool players during that incident. So therefore the decision should be 'no goal-penalty'.

That is a fact, seeing as the criteria for a penalty in that game, was shown as someone mildly impeding Mo Salah as a cross sailed 5ft over his head.

They could give or not give these offences to allow or disallow as they see fit.
 
mosssideblue said:
Goals were disallowed well before VAR
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Yes but almost always before the players and fans had celebrated the goal at length. The two times against Spuds and yesterday at Chelsea classic examples.
On all three occasions extremely marginal infringements of the laws (supposedly) resulted in goals,which the officials and most others deemed good, were overruled by VAR.
Now the main rationale for the introduction of this form of technology was that it would ensure that clear and obvious errors would be corrected thus preventing
obvious injustices. However, we are not seeing that, the clear and obvious mistakes are not being corrected and marginal infringements which nobody can see are instead been
acted upon. This is a particular problem with respect to offside because the technology is not advanced enough to ensure that these borderline decisions are in fact correct.
In other words there is a margin of error which is not been factored into the decision making process. This is even before the allegations of bias are properly examined. I am not saying that the system is corrupt but it is most certainly true that it has the capacity to be. So far in the title race there has been a definite two point and potential 4 point swing in favour of Klanfield directly resulting from VAR..
 
it was 16 seconds after the offside, that the Chelsea goal was disallowed ,they talk about resetting cancelling the decision ,well 16 seconds is a long time for the defence to sort itself out,when Alonso played the ball backwards to Willian ,that was the reset
 
somethingelse said:
it was 16 seconds after the offside, that the Chelsea goal was disallowed ,they talk about resetting cancelling the decision ,well 16 seconds is a long time for the defence to sort itself out,when Alonso played the ball backwards to Willian ,that was the reset
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I agree.

It was offside.

However, there was a significant passage of play, or arguably more than one passage of play, before the goal was scored. Liverpool had ample opportunity to ‘reset’ and deal with the goal threat.

16 seconds is a long time in a football match.

It feels to me like they looked for a reason to rule it out.
 
Stoned Rose said:
I agree.

It was offside.

However, there was a significant passage of play, or arguably more than one passage of play, before the goal was scored. Liverpool had ample opportunity to ‘reset’ and deal with the goal threat.

16 seconds is a long time in a football match.

It feels to me like they looked for a reason to rule it out.
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They did
 
it was offside, cannot use this decision as a argument of bias, if that goal was allowed v City i would be disgusted.
 
Stoned Rose said:
I agree.

It was offside.

However, there was a significant passage of play, or arguably more than one passage of play, before the goal was scored. Liverpool had ample opportunity to ‘reset’ and deal with the goal threat.

16 seconds is a long time in a football match.

It feels to me like they looked for a reason to rule it out.
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Remember last season, Liverpool scored a goal at Southampton with Salah offside in the initial build up, we were told the goal WOULDN’T be ruled out next season either (by var) as it wouldn’t review so far back in the play... different phase blah blah. Hmmm
 
stonerblue said:
I'm not using it as proof of bias. It's proof that the whole shebang is shite.
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it has been implemented poorly, yes, i agree. Pigmol are not fit for purpose, but we would be the first to complain when a player who is offside punches the ball into the net and it is allowed.
 
Dermot the twat for his pals at PiGMOB now trying to blame the clubs for the shit show that is VAR because they accepted the tech like they had any choice in reality.

Also good to hear him say the Chelsea goal being chalked off was right because Liverpool hadnt the chance to reset their defence.

Looked in fucking line to me you cheating twat!
 
asahartford1 said:
it has been implemented poorly, yes, i agree. Pigmol are not fit for purpose, but we would be the first to complain when a player who is offside punches the ball into the net and it is allowed.
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The day a player punches the ball into the net from just inside the touch line will be the day i accept var as a positive influence.
 
Have said all along that they should only be allowed to review the incident in real time and if it then looks clear & obvious it is. It took them 3 minutes on Sunday tofind that Mount had a toe offside. Their should also be a time limit set on overturning decisions. One in the Bundesliga last year took 7 minutes to come to the decision it was a penalty. Then at the end of the game they played 4 minutes injury time.
 
A referee called players back onto the pitch during half time to award a penalty, in an extraordinary video assistant (VAR) decision in Germany.

Guido Winkmann had already sent the players to their dressing rooms in Mainz’s match at home to Freiburg in the Bundesliga, when he had to call them back out after a handball was spotted on video replays.
 
Interesting to see that the European referee chiefs are now trying to switch to only clear and obvious offsides to be overturned by VAR.

Incredible the mess that has been created.
 
Rammy Blue said:
Interesting to see that the European referee chiefs are now trying to switch to only clear and obvious offsides to be overturned by VAR.

Incredible the mess that has been created.
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The argument for VAR was always to correct the "clear and obvious" mistakes. Its now been used to rule out goals where someone's toenail may have been offside depending on when they freeze frame the pass. As you say, a mess.
 
Just caught up on last night's "offside" against the rags, and that all shows how shite the whole system is.

To be fair to De Gea, he's seen the flag go up and stopped trying, which has made Aubameyang's finish easier, and then they've overturned it (correctly).

Linos, refs and VAR all need a rocket
 
quiet_riot and don't forget those who are watching var in some place ready to help the ref. My guess is that when Schinderlin chop down Kevin, he must they gone blind for 10sec's as that was a clear red card. Those over seeing the game against Everton should have helped the ref by saying that you need to show a red card. As that was serious foul play.
 
King KdB of Belgium said:
quiet_riot and don't forget those who are watching var in some place ready to help the ref. My guess is that when Schinderlin chop down Kevin, he must they gone blind for 10sec's as that was a clear red card. Those over seeing the game against Everton should have helped the ref by saying that you need to show a red card. As that was serious foul play.
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There was a greater chance of a red for kev for the aggressive finger waving.
 
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