Dont know if its already been said, probably has, but was our TinTin banner for KdB racist aswell? If not, whats the difference?
You are right. White people have the right to be offended if Raheem tweets De bruyne and Zinchenko looks the same. However, it seems that people here are getting offended at people who have been offended by the Silva's tweet.
Also, black people have been on the wrong end of racism for a long time and hence any news concerning them get a lot more publicity, rightly or wrongly.
Same things are being told when Black Lives Matters groups protest and then the All Lives Matters brigade come out saying whites should be treated the same way. The problem is the BLM group started for a reason and that's because of a lot of police shootings in America involves Black People. No one has ever said white people are not shot but you can clearly see there is a racial bias and black people have been the victims of it for quite a long time and still are.
I assume you mean my post. If so, you are putting quite some spin on that to try and strengthen your claim*Literally in response to someone saying that the world was better in the 1960s.
I assume you mean my post. If so, you are putting quite some spin on that to try and strengthen your claim
You claimed I said the world was a better place, when I said safer.You said people in the 60s and 70s could banter without upsetting people, I claimed that that was an era of Jim Crow and apartheid?
I also said that the mascot we are talking about clearly has its roots in minstrel and colonial representations of Africa.
I'm afraid your wrong (he didn't use an old racial steriotype which will become apparent if you read the link in full)) and your argument is not based on fact but a perception which perfectly illustrates the point I was making with regard to the analogy I used with the "thought police". I strongly recommend you read the following (it's a long read but you obviously feel strongly about this so may wish to learn more of what Bernardo may have been thinking when he wrote his tweet.
"The Evolution of Conguitos: Changing the Face of Race in Spanish Advertising" a paper by Diane Q Palardy published in 2014 in the Journal: TRANSMODERNITY: Journal of Peripheral Cultural Production of the Luso-Hispanic World https://escholarship.org/content/qt...5oy&nosplash=7f6b9469bba6f7b20680cef253712e79
I think that when we start thought-policing people and idea-policing people, then that's crossing a line. And I think, you know, everybody's so afraid of this imaginary line of thought police that they forget their own personal safety.
Ashton Kutcher
You claimed I said the world was a better place, when I said safer.
Well you can't judge who gets offended at what. I am not having a dig, just saying.Really, has the world really come to this
I agree, but we have become such a snowflake society, it has gone too far imoWell you can't judge who gets offended at what. I am not having a dig, just saying.
I'm afraid your wrong (he didn't use an old racial steriotype which will become apparent if you read the link in full)) and your argument is not based on fact but a perception which perfectly illustrates the point I was making with regard to the analogy I used with the "thought police". I strongly recommend you read the following (it's a long read but you obviously feel strongly about this so may wish to learn more of what Bernardo may have been thinking when he wrote his tweet.
"The Evolution of Conguitos: Changing the Face of Race in Spanish Advertising" a paper by Diane Q Palardy published in 2014 in the Journal: TRANSMODERNITY: Journal of Peripheral Cultural Production of the Luso-Hispanic World https://escholarship.org/content/qt...5oy&nosplash=7f6b9469bba6f7b20680cef253712e79
I think that when we start thought-policing people and idea-policing people, then that's crossing a line. And I think, you know, everybody's so afraid of this imaginary line of thought police that they forget their own personal safety.
Ashton Kutcher
True but that's what it is now. we have to accept it and move on. I think the Bernardo should just come out and apologize saying he didn't think about it while posting and move on.I agree, but we have become such a snowflake society, it has gone too far imo
Forgive me for being lazy but can you just answer if the cartoon is inherently racist or whether it was appropriated by certain people and became associated with it?I'm afraid your wrong (he didn't use an old racial steriotype which will become apparent if you read the link in full)) and your argument is not based on fact but a perception which perfectly illustrates the point I was making with regard to the analogy I used with the "thought police". I strongly recommend you read the following (it's a long read but you obviously feel strongly about this so may wish to learn more of what Bernardo may have been thinking when he wrote his tweet.
"The Evolution of Conguitos: Changing the Face of Race in Spanish Advertising" a paper by Diane Q Palardy published in 2014 in the Journal: TRANSMODERNITY: Journal of Peripheral Cultural Production of the Luso-Hispanic World https://escholarship.org/content/qt...5oy&nosplash=7f6b9469bba6f7b20680cef253712e79
I think that when we start thought-policing people and idea-policing people, then that's crossing a line. And I think, you know, everybody's so afraid of this imaginary line of thought police that they forget their own personal safety.
Ashton Kutcher
I wonder if Ashton Kutcher would offer the same quote if potential anti-semitism was being discussed instead of skin colour?I'm afraid your wrong (he didn't use an old racial steriotype which will become apparent if you read the link in full)) and your argument is not based on fact but a perception which perfectly illustrates the point I was making with regard to the analogy I used with the "thought police". I strongly recommend you read the following (it's a long read but you obviously feel strongly about this so may wish to learn more of what Bernardo may have been thinking when he wrote his tweet.
"The Evolution of Conguitos: Changing the Face of Race in Spanish Advertising" a paper by Diane Q Palardy published in 2014 in the Journal: TRANSMODERNITY: Journal of Peripheral Cultural Production of the Luso-Hispanic World https://escholarship.org/content/qt...5oy&nosplash=7f6b9469bba6f7b20680cef253712e79
I think that when we start thought-policing people and idea-policing people, then that's crossing a line. And I think, you know, everybody's so afraid of this imaginary line of thought police that they forget their own personal safety.
Ashton Kutcher
The "Evolution of Conguitos" paper taking an academic approach is enlightening. People do not want the issue to be complicated though, "kick it out" want their view to be definitive. The "easily offended" want just that, to be easily offended. Intent to be racist, is no longer the crux of the the argument, rather the casual onlooker being offended is the prime mover, and merely by reference to centuries of racism do they justify their perspective.
Some peoples heads would explode if they were in the forces,if you are a ginge you get called a ginge as prince harry found out,if you are black you get called something related to that as you do if you are white or whatever your nationality is etc,if the people involved are happy then there is no problem
I agree, but we have become such a snowflake society, it has gone too far imo
Taken from the paper: "Stuart Hall examines how the “dominant cultural order” is used to interpret codes, which have “institutional/political/ideological order imprinted in them and have themselves become institutionalized” (34). This naturally creates a hierarchy for modes of understanding cultural codes, leaving alternative interpretations either forgotten or unrecognized, or open to mockery and scrutiny. For many Spaniards, Conguitos are synonymous with fun, escapism, and nostalgia for youth, yet the persistence of the name itself and the ways that Spaniards have appropriated the cultural construct reveal (as will later be demonstrated) that the racial undertones have not disappeared."
I'm more than happy to acknowledge this is complex. I don't think Bernie is evil or especially racist, but I think it's a mascot that still has racial undertones, particularly when placed into its history, and especially when taken out of Spain/Portugal. I also think taking my concerns in bad faith and assuming that I'm a snowflake or whatever actually confirms what Hall is talking about here (Hall being one of the biggest influences on how I see and think about these things, having written The Empire Strikes Back and Policing the Crisis, among other things).
that cartoon had some dodgy commercial over the pastForgive me for being lazy but can you just answer if the cartoon is inherently racist or whether it was appropriated by certain people and became associated with it?
If that is the case then as I said earlier, it's much like 'Pepe The Frog' when people insist it's a symbol for racism and always has been, they are in fact completely incorrect. Why should it be handed over to the white supremacists just because they decided they wanted use it after seeing it elsewhere?