Bernardo Silva tweet controversy

[Rammy Blue]

Chip paper....

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

I was not criticising you at all. I have some knowledge of the Culture of Spaniards, having a home there for 20 years and trying to experience and understand cultural difference. It is different to Britain for a myriad of reasons and i refuse to judge that difference. I just thought it important to point out that this is a cross cultural complex issue.

Sure. A lot of people on this thread might think differently.

Like I said above, it's a decent paper. It blends the colonial history with a broader discussion around Spanish culture a and trends while leaving space for understanding why some people wouldn't like the mascot. The discussion would be a lot better others read it, thought about it, and read Stuart Hall while they're at it.

I'm off to watch the wrestling and have a few beers. Enjoy the game tonight, everyone.

 

[IT and Me]

The "Evolution of Conguitos" paper taking an academic approach is enlightening. People do not want the issue to be complicated though, "kick it out" want their view to be definitive. The "easily offended" want just that, to be easily offended. Intent to be racist, is no longer the crux of the the argument, rather the casual onlooker being offended is the prime mover, and merely by reference to centuries of racism do they justify their perspective.

Completely agree.

 

[chrisY]

that used to be one of their commercial

 

[i kne albert davy]

True but that's what it is now. we have to accept it and move on. I think the Bernardo should just come out and apologize saying he didn't think about it while posting and move on.

Just who should he apologise to exactly Mendy wasn't upset by it so that rules him out and I'm not too sure anybody else is entitled to one.

 

[i kne albert davy]

that used to be one of their commercial

Shown earlier in the thread and looks like its from the 1970's either that or HD TV's not arrived in Portugal yet.

 

[Metalartin]

Shown earlier in the thread and looks like its from the 1970's either that or HD TV's not arrived in Portugal yet.

When did it arrive in Portugal?

 

[i kne albert davy]

When did it arrive in Portugal?

2008 according to Wiki.

 

[Metalartin]

2008 according to Wiki.

Thanks, so they've cleaned up their image since then and made the character more PC? Which is the version Bernardo will have seen.

Still, that's not good viewing that advert, I don't think Bernardo will have likened his mate to a spear wielding tribesman. I suppose it's like the Robertson's jam mascots, which were just deemed a no go. I always wondered if they would have been seen as racist at all, if not for that awful name. I never used to see them as racist as a kid anyway because the phrase meant nothing to me.

 

[IT and Me]

I wonder if Ashton Kutcher would offer the same quote if potential anti-semitism was being discussed instead of skin colour?

The topic or issue isn't the point; it's the principle. It's very dangerous when people are told how/what to think and that those pronouncing judgement believe they hold the moral high ground.
Bob dylan makes the point well in "With god on our side". If you don't know the song, the words are well worth reading.
https://www.lyrics.com/lyric/812824/Bob+Dylan/With+God+on+Our+Side

 

[squirtyflower]

Might be something to do with the fact that black people were enslaved and oppressed for centuries because of the way they look while white people occasionally get teased for being a bit pale.

Are you saying that white people haven’t ever been enslaved and oppressed?

 

[roy.or.r]

Just who should he apologise to exactly Mendy wasn't upset by it so that rules him out and I'm not too sure anybody else is entitled to one.

Just post a formal apology on twitter referring to those who were offended by the tweet. Lets face it, it was dumb of him to post it in the first place.

 

[Hoghead]

I don't think Bernie is evil or especially racist,

No, I don't think Bernie is evil either. On the other hand I do think Hitler, Stalin, Genghis Khan for example were evil amongst others.
So you were thinking that Bernie could be associated with these types of people then?

 

[NorthamptonBlue]

Thanks, so they've cleaned up their image since then and made the character more PC? Which is the version Bernardo will have seen.

Still, that's not good viewing that advert, I don't think Bernardo will have likened his mate to a spear wielding tribesman. I suppose it's like the Robertson's jam mascots, which were just deemed a no go. I always wondered if they would have been seen as racist at all, if not for that awful name. I never used to see them as racist as a kid anyway because the phrase meant nothing to me.

I collected the badges when I was a youngster and really liked them. The thought that it was racist never even occurred to me though my family were undeniably casually racist. My Dad hates all people of colour except all the ones he had ever met.

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

No, I don't think Bernie is evil either. On the other hand I do think Hitler, Stalin, Genghis Khan for example were evil amongst others.
So you were thinking that Bernie could be associated with these types of people then?

Lol, what?

 

[Machiavelli]

The topic or issue isn't the point; it's the principle. It's very dangerous when people are told how/what to think and that those pronouncing judgement believe they hold the moral high ground.

But you posted a quote from a celebrity telling us how/what to think!

 

[ScottSinclair]

One is black and the other is white. Black people have had 100s of years of dealing with and over coming negative stereotypes and those to be reinforced by a high profile football player is not ideal

I get that, but at some point we have to stop looking for racial undertones in absolutely everything, and just treat each other equally. It was a funny joke meant for Mendy, and no one else should feel the right to be offended on Mendys behalf

 

[Blue Hefner]

I get that, but at some point we have to stop looking for racial undertones in absolutely everything, and just treat each other equally. It was a funny joke meant for Mendy, and no one else should feel the right to be offended on Mendys behalf

No one is, as far as I can tell. A high profile footballer reinforcing negative stereotypes isn’t a good thing and will (probably rightly) get criticised

Private messages should be kept private. Twitter is not a private platform, it is a way to broadcast to the world. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that black kids at school got a bit of grief and where themselves compared to that cartoon character on the strength of one of the world last best footballers putting that out there

It’s not the crime of the century. It’s daft, insensitive and was bound to draw criticism

 

[MarsLlama]

Are you saying that white people haven’t ever been enslaved and oppressed?

Not because of the way they look and not because they're white

 

[IT and Me]

But you posted a quote from a celebrity telling us how/what to think!

It’s the principle not the person that matters and I certainly was not telling anyone how to think. That is the whole point of this.
On more neutral ground, we are playing very well tonight and the young lads are the back are doing their prospects no harm at all. (Only my opinion, of course!)