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Mëtal Bikër said:
Greens want to reform the EU, a position I accept and agreed with and when it was clear they didn;t want to reform , it forced my hand.

Whether they can acheive it is heavily debatable, but considering the recent EU elections saw a HUGE rise in Green MEP's, shows that many across Europe feel the same.

As for UK politics though, I doubt the Greens would seek to deliver on brexit. So no, not the Greens either.
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That is why, it is argued, a GE will not solve Brexit.

There are a variety of social issues and polices which the Tories and Labour completely disagree with. So who does a 'Remainer' who likes private schools vote for? Or a Leaver that wants rid of them?

That is obviously overly simplified but I'm sure you get the idea.

I think we should leave with whats on the table and take our chances or put any other 'deal' to the people. That said, how many people are really gong to read and understand a 500+ page document? So what would that achieve? I don't know

I end up arguing with myself. But what we/voters need to realise is that either extreme isn't going to fly so reign in exceptions and accept the least bad option and if everyone is semi-disappointed then that is a 'win' for everyone?
 
Legal autonomy of non-EU member states within the single market

Non-EU members are required to adhere to EU rules but this is more complex than for EU member states. The non-EU EEA countries who align with the single market – Iceland, Norway and Liechtenstein – can negotiate their own trade deals individually or through the EFTA: They are not party to the EU’s trade deals.

They can also opt out of some EU legislation, including fishing quotas, but are still required to implement EU laws where they relate to their participation in the single market, such as the free movement of people.

On laws relating to health and safety, the environment and social provisions for workers, such as maximum working hours, EEA members are obliged to recognise EU rules. EEA states also often adopt new EU laws as they are created. However, EEA members have more leeway in opting out and declining to recognise some EU laws, such as the Common Agricultural Policy.

The non-EU members, as a bloc, collectively decide whether to recognise laws, and negotiate these with the EU. EEA member states are obliged to respect the EU laws that are recognised this way. Individual states do not have autonomy to select EU law independently, unless by agreement directly with the EU.

EEA states recognise roughly a fifth, or 20%, of all EU laws. There are roughly 25,000 EU laws in force as of today. This applies to the EEA countries mentioned (Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein).

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/the-european-single-market/
 
west didsblue said:
I think all Brexiters should follow your example.
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And just not vote?

Chances are that's how many feel, but is it a great example of our constitiutional monarchy to have the majority of the electorate apathetic towards democracy?
 
west didsblue said:
Yep.
Would solve the problem once and for all.
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Again, not a glowing example of our "democracy" to have less that 33% of the population voting, is it.

There's something seriously wrong if that sort of approach is advocated.
 
west didsblue said:
As long as everyone has the option to vote then what’s the problem?
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Democracy works best when the majority of people are engaged in it.

Ignoring the apathy of voters leads to bigger problems later down the line. It shows the "electorate" has lost faith in the system; somethign we're seeing on a daily basis even today.

But by all means, pooh-pooh it and disregard it if it gives you an "advantage" in numbers.
 
west didsblue said:
Didn’t realise I had that much influence but thanks for pointing it out.
Sorry you didn’t get your way, whatever it is. What version of Brexit do you want anyway?
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Any that means we leave.

Soft runny egg version will do for now and as @cibaman said earlier and backed up by @Mëtal Bikër a set period of time can then be used to firm up our leave position in the world which hopefully most folk can get their heads around and works for the majority of us.

If it doesnt work we have left, tried and the result respected and we can vote to rejoin either via a ref or by voting in a majority government on a rejoin ticket.

Democracy in action.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Democracy works best when the majority of people are engaged in it.

Ignoring the apathy of voters leads to bigger problems later down the line. It shows the "electorate" has lost faith in the system; somethign we're seeing on a daily basis even today.

But by all means, pooh-pooh it and disregard it if it gives you an "advantage" in numbers.
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You are correct of course and my original comment was tongue-in-cheek. It’s always better when the majority don’t feel they have been ignored otherwise we end up with something like the shit show we’re in now. Without huge numbers of people feeling worse off over many years thanks to austerity they would not be looking for a scapegoat to blame for their plight, something that chancers and charlatans like Johnson, Farage and their right wing media mates have exploited by blaming the EU.
 
blueinsa said:
Any that means we leave.

Soft runny egg version will do for now and as @cibaman said earlier and backed up by @Mëtal Bikër a set period of time can then be used to firm up our leave position in the world which hopefully most folk can get their heads around and works for the majority of us.

If it doesnt work we have left, tried and the result respected and we can vote to rejoin either via a ref or by voting in a majority government on a rejoin ticket.

Democracy in action.
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Has anyone put forward your soft runny egg version?
As far as I can make out the only options we’ve seen so far are May’s version with the hated backstop, and No Deal that screws the economy, fucks up the GFA and will most likely break up the UK.
 
west didsblue said:
Has anyone put forward your soft runny egg version?
As far as I can make out the only options we’ve seen so far are May’s version with the hated backstop, and No Deal that screws the economy, fucks up the GFA and will most likely break up the UK.
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I think similar soft runny egg versions where voted for in the indicative votes but they all lost pathetically as remain MP's voted tactically together to fuck everything off along with the ERG of course.

UK I'm not arsed about tbh as the SNP who have spent the last 3 years bemoaning the break up of the UK will get back on their break the UK bike again.

The EU/Scottish border between themselves and England wont be an issue as they put forwards a trusted trader style solution with checks away from the border.

I'm also certain they will lay claim to our currency and the BoE again as well.

Its called the cake and eat it independence.
 
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