The Rise of the Far Right

kevin horlocks wand said:
The politics threads have become anyone who is right of Corbyn is far right.

Keep the narrative going so you have to believe that taking property away from people is acceptable
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Of course its acceptable, it is actually necessary but as in everything, their are extremes.

Have you ever actually considered what abolishing the right to private ownership might look like? People don't because they under the control of the Capitalist system and private property is a means of ensuring people have debt, people in debt are necessary for Capitalism to thrive.

Of course this is never considered, what has become the norm is the acceptance to get on to this mysterious ladder. Take that ladder away and what would society look like?

Do you really have a need to own your house? Think about this deeply and consider the implications attached of it. Does owning a pile of bricks actually make any sense at all? Should any property be private, we are not born with any property, people work hard to buy bricks, what if every week you bought a brick, how many weeks would it take to have enough bricks to build a house? You would never live long enough to buy enough bricks, so Capitalism takes advantage of the fact you will die before you can own enough bricks and sells you bricks as a job lot and charging you huge interest rates so you can claim to own the bricks. The bricks are only worth something if they are attached to other bricks.

You are living to make others profit, the Englishman's home is his castle was a clever piece of propaganda. Owning a pile of bricks does not make you a stakeholder in society, it makes you an agent of Capitalism.

Post scarcity as the world becomes shorn of resources it will lead to situations of scarcity where people with more power will exploit those with lesser power. The exploitation is undignified, it is cruel. The upper class, the aristocracy, the rich class, the bankers, CEOs and politicians all perpetuate capitalist exploitation because they are unaware of how a Post-Scarcity civilization will soon be created. The exploitation continues because resources are scarce therefore the people in power cling to their wealth. People who are exploited suffer a blow to their dignity but the most brutally oppressed people can retain dignity despite existing in undignified circumstances Personal dignity (self respect, worthiness) ultimately depends upon abolition of scarcity because it is only via abolishing scarcity that the need to exploit fellow humans will disappear. Yes the war on Scarcity is the final war. Government monitoring, questions about privacy and dignity, will become irrelevant, archaic, obsolete, reminiscent of stone-tipped spears, cave paintings, woolly mammoths, sabre toothed tigers, or ritual sacrifices. Our culture is deeply based on scarcity therefore we rarely consider the deeply entrenched hostility of a world where everything must always be locked to prevent theft. We consider these things normal; it is normal for people to suffer while the upper echelons live the high-life. The need to own your own pile of bricks is foisted upon you by a society that fears for its own future and it protects those with wealth from those without.

If property was allocated on a needs basis rather than who could buy the bricks, it could maybe end the exploitation of the working class, lead to a more equitable society. Karl Marx thought "The free development of individualities, and hence not the reduction of necessary labour time so as to posit surplus labour, but rather the general reduction of the necessary labour of society to a minimum, which then corresponds to the artistic, scientific etc. development of the individuals in the time set free, and with the means created, for all of them"

Without the pressure to own a pile of bricks, think of what Marx said in terms of human developement, time wise a person could spend more with a loved one, more writing a book, more posting on here, essentially the freedom to do as you please. Capitalism does not like you having freedom, it wants you to be a slave to bricks.
 
Rascal said:
Of course its acceptable, it is actually necessary but as in everything, their are extremes.

Have you ever actually considered what abolishing the right to private ownership might look like? People don't because they under the control of the Capitalist system and private property is a means of ensuring people have debt, people in debt are necessary for Capitalism to thrive.

Of course this is never considered, what has become the norm is the acceptance to get on to this mysterious ladder. Take that ladder away and what would society look like?

Do you really have a need to own your house? Think about this deeply and consider the implications attached of it. Does owning a pile of bricks actually make any sense at all? Should any property be private, we are not born with any property, people work hard to buy bricks, what if every week you bought a brick, how many weeks would it take to have enough bricks to build a house? You would never live long enough to buy enough bricks, so Capitalism takes advantage of the fact you will die before you can own enough bricks and sells you bricks as a job lot and charging you huge interest rates so you can claim to own the bricks. The bricks are only worth something if they are attached to other bricks.

You are living to make others profit, the Englishman's home is his castle was a clever piece of propaganda. Owning a pile of bricks does not make you a stakeholder in society, it makes you an agent of Capitalism.

Post scarcity as the world becomes shorn of resources it will lead to situations of scarcity where people with more power will exploit those with lesser power. The exploitation is undignified, it is cruel. The upper class, the aristocracy, the rich class, the bankers, CEOs and politicians all perpetuate capitalist exploitation because they are unaware of how a Post-Scarcity civilization will soon be created. The exploitation continues because resources are scarce therefore the people in power cling to their wealth. People who are exploited suffer a blow to their dignity but the most brutally oppressed people can retain dignity despite existing in undignified circumstances Personal dignity (self respect, worthiness) ultimately depends upon abolition of scarcity because it is only via abolishing scarcity that the need to exploit fellow humans will disappear. Yes the war on Scarcity is the final war. Government monitoring, questions about privacy and dignity, will become irrelevant, archaic, obsolete, reminiscent of stone-tipped spears, cave paintings, woolly mammoths, sabre toothed tigers, or ritual sacrifices. Our culture is deeply based on scarcity therefore we rarely consider the deeply entrenched hostility of a world where everything must always be locked to prevent theft. We consider these things normal; it is normal for people to suffer while the upper echelons live the high-life. The need to own your own pile of bricks is foisted upon you by a society that fears for its own future and it protects those with wealth from those without.

If property was allocated on a needs basis rather than who could buy the bricks, it could maybe end the exploitation of the working class, lead to a more equitable society. Karl Marx thought "The free development of individualities, and hence not the reduction of necessary labour time so as to posit surplus labour, but rather the general reduction of the necessary labour of society to a minimum, which then corresponds to the artistic, scientific etc. development of the individuals in the time set free, and with the means created, for all of them"

Without the pressure to own a pile of bricks, think of what Marx said in terms of human developement, time wise a person could spend more with a loved one, more writing a book, more posting on here, essentially the freedom to do as you please. Capitalism does not like you having freedom, it wants you to be a slave to bricks.
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Not all of us want to fail at life. We go out and do the best we can to provide for ourselves/families.
 
Two Gun Bob said:
I stand in awe of Rascals posts as he really does have a grasp on the political spectrum. But I do not understand how I can be a slave to bricks by buying my home over twenty years and then living mortgage free for the rest of my days or even buying a home and a few more besides and then selling at a profit ? I truly wish I was more cleverer in the ways of fiscal reward. If I was to have rented for twenty years with not a sausage back then truly would I have felt aggrieved and used.
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Think if you were allocated your own pile of bricks for a small weekly rental fee that covered the cost of the pile of bricks being made. The pile of bricks was yours for as long as you wanted. If in the future you needed extra bricks for children you would be allocated a new set of bricks. As you got older and your children were allocated their own set of bricks, you could return to your original set of bricks if you so wished, if you didn't you could stay with your allocated pile of bricks until you die and then somebody else would be allocated the bricks but as the cost of the original bricks has been covered the pile of bricks is now free. Only brand new bricks would need to have the cost covered, but the rent of those who are now living in piles of bricks that have been covered can subsidise the cost of the new bricks by paying a small rental fee for their pile of bricks.

Think of what you could have had and done with all the money the capitalists took off you to say you "owned" your pile of bricks. How can you make profit out of a brick, after all its just a brick and it has the value of any other brick. You only value your pile of bricks because the capitalists claim the bricks grow in value, but how can a brick grow in value when its just a brick.

Its a clever trick because as it stands the original set of bricks has been paid for many times and who has gained the most from the bricks. The Capitalists have, those who supply the money so you can claim you "own" your own pile of bricks. You become a "slave" to the notion of "owning" your own pile of bricks because the narrative is clever and its insistent that every Englishman's home is his castle and magically owning your own pile of bricks makes you a person who is considered successful. But in effect you own a pile a bricks that has been paid for over and over above the value of the pile of bricks and the ones who gain from the pile of bricks are the Capitalists.

The notion of wasted money is a Capitalist notion, its wasted because the Capitalists can not profit from that money and by making you feel aggrieved and used it shows how powerful that message is. But after all, you will have lived in a pile of bricks for a nominal fee if they are new bricks or for free of they are paid for bricks. The Capitalists hate the notion of "free" because there is no profit in "free"

Your fiscal reward would be to enjoy a life free of the burden of making the Capitalists money on a pile of bricks and freeing up your life to spend your money how you see fit and on how you wish with the guarantee you will have your pile of bricks for life. You are free of Capitalism.

I say this as somebody who owns his own pile of bricks outright, cash was paid for my pile of bricks and i am happy with my pile of bricks. I would have no problem though with my pile of bricks being allocated to another person who needs a pile of bricks my size and I get a pile of bricks that I need for my size as my pile of bricks will be too big for me in time. Because after all its just a pile of bricks.
 
Rascal said:
Think if you were allocated your own pile of bricks for a small weekly rental fee that covered the cost of the pile of bricks being made. The pile of bricks was yours for as long as you wanted. If in the future you needed extra bricks for children you would be allocated a new set of bricks. As you got older and your children were allocated their own set of bricks, you could return to your original set of bricks if you so wished, if you didn't you could stay with your allocated pile of bricks until you die and then somebody else would be allocated the bricks but as the cost of the original bricks has been covered the pile of bricks is now free. Only brand new bricks would need to have the cost covered, but the rent of those who are now living in piles of bricks that have been covered can subsidise the cost of the new bricks by paying a small rental fee for their pile of bricks.

Think of what you could have had and done with all the money the capitalists took off you to say you "owned" your pile of bricks. How can you make profit out of a brick, after all its just a brick and it has the value of any other brick. You only value your pile of bricks because the capitalists claim the bricks grow in value, but how can a brick grow in value when its just a brick.

Its a clever trick because as it stands the original set of bricks has been paid for many times and who has gained the most from the bricks. The Capitalists have, those who supply the money so you can claim you "own" your own pile of bricks. You become a "slave" to the notion of "owning" your own pile of bricks because the narrative is clever and its insistent that every Englishman's home is his castle and magically owning your own pile of bricks makes you a person who is considered successful. But in effect you own a pile a bricks that has been paid for over and over above the value of the pile of bricks and the ones who gain from the pile of bricks are the Capitalists.

The notion of wasted money is a Capitalist notion, its wasted because the Capitalists can not profit from that money and by making you feel aggrieved and used it shows how powerful that message is. But after all, you will have lived in a pile of bricks for a nominal fee if they are new bricks or for free of they are paid for bricks. The Capitalists hate the notion of "free" because there is no profit in "free"

Your fiscal reward would be to enjoy a life free of the burden of making the Capitalists money on a pile of bricks and freeing up your life to spend your money how you see fit and on how you wish with the guarantee you will have your pile of bricks for life. You are free of Capitalism.

I say this as somebody who owns his own pile of bricks outright, cash was paid for my pile of bricks and i am happy with my pile of bricks. I would have no problem though with my pile of bricks being allocated to another person who needs a pile of bricks my size and I get a pile of bricks that I need for my size as my pile of bricks will be too big for me in time. Because after all its just a pile of bricks.
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People are far more concerned about what postcode the bricks are in rather than the bricks themselves, also letting people stay in a house which has more bricks than they need seems contrary to the whole ideology.
 
Rascal said:
Of course its acceptable, it is actually necessary but as in everything, their are extremes.

Have you ever actually considered what abolishing the right to private ownership might look like? People don't because they under the control of the Capitalist system and private property is a means of ensuring people have debt, people in debt are necessary for Capitalism to thrive.

Of course this is never considered, what has become the norm is the acceptance to get on to this mysterious ladder. Take that ladder away and what would society look like?

Do you really have a need to own your house? Think about this deeply and consider the implications attached of it. Does owning a pile of bricks actually make any sense at all? Should any property be private, we are not born with any property, people work hard to buy bricks, what if every week you bought a brick, how many weeks would it take to have enough bricks to build a house? You would never live long enough to buy enough bricks, so Capitalism takes advantage of the fact you will die before you can own enough bricks and sells you bricks as a job lot and charging you huge interest rates so you can claim to own the bricks. The bricks are only worth something if they are attached to other bricks.

You are living to make others profit, the Englishman's home is his castle was a clever piece of propaganda. Owning a pile of bricks does not make you a stakeholder in society, it makes you an agent of Capitalism.

Post scarcity as the world becomes shorn of resources it will lead to situations of scarcity where people with more power will exploit those with lesser power. The exploitation is undignified, it is cruel. The upper class, the aristocracy, the rich class, the bankers, CEOs and politicians all perpetuate capitalist exploitation because they are unaware of how a Post-Scarcity civilization will soon be created. The exploitation continues because resources are scarce therefore the people in power cling to their wealth. People who are exploited suffer a blow to their dignity but the most brutally oppressed people can retain dignity despite existing in undignified circumstances Personal dignity (self respect, worthiness) ultimately depends upon abolition of scarcity because it is only via abolishing scarcity that the need to exploit fellow humans will disappear. Yes the war on Scarcity is the final war. Government monitoring, questions about privacy and dignity, will become irrelevant, archaic, obsolete, reminiscent of stone-tipped spears, cave paintings, woolly mammoths, sabre toothed tigers, or ritual sacrifices. Our culture is deeply based on scarcity therefore we rarely consider the deeply entrenched hostility of a world where everything must always be locked to prevent theft. We consider these things normal; it is normal for people to suffer while the upper echelons live the high-life. The need to own your own pile of bricks is foisted upon you by a society that fears for its own future and it protects those with wealth from those without.

If property was allocated on a needs basis rather than who could buy the bricks, it could maybe end the exploitation of the working class, lead to a more equitable society. Karl Marx thought "The free development of individualities, and hence not the reduction of necessary labour time so as to posit surplus labour, but rather the general reduction of the necessary labour of society to a minimum, which then corresponds to the artistic, scientific etc. development of the individuals in the time set free, and with the means created, for all of them"

Without the pressure to own a pile of bricks, think of what Marx said in terms of human developement, time wise a person could spend more with a loved one, more writing a book, more posting on here, essentially the freedom to do as you please. Capitalism does not like you having freedom, it wants you to be a slave to bricks.
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But what if you need spare bricks to put through people's windows?
 
Rascal said:
You can use the money you saved that was being paid to the Capitalists to nip to Jewsons and buy a couple of bricks for said purpose :))
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Jokes aside I completely agree on the need to move back away from a growth and debt based economy. The problem is how to make it happen globally.
 
blueinsa said:
https://news.sky.com/story/utterly-...ory-deaths-condemned-by-labour-mayor-11822793

The cuddly left.
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Walking through our town centre earlier this year this revolutionary blocked the wifes passage trying to give her some leaflet or other, she asked him to let her through 'I was behind her at the time' and he demanded she accept a leaflet to fight the Tory scum. I told him to move or i'd clump him, he moved and sometime later he was shouting at us across the road nazi scum.

I was a Labour voter until Corbyn took over and now I am homeless voting wise but am considered a nazi.
 
blueinsa said:
https://news.sky.com/story/utterly-...ory-deaths-condemned-by-labour-mayor-11822793
skynews-conservatives-labour_4789958.jpg

The cuddly left.
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mexico1970 said:
Walking through our town centre earlier this year this revolutionary blocked the wifes passage trying to give her some leaflet or other, she asked him to let her through 'I was behind her at the time' and he demanded she accept a leaflet to fight the Tory scum. I told him to move or i'd clump him, he moved and sometime later he was shouting at us across the road nazi scum.

I was a Labour voter until Corbyn took over and now I am homeless voting wise but am considered a nazi.
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I am much like yourself in terms of being homeless voting wise and indeed there are cretins on here have suggested I am nazi or racist, oblivious to the fact those who make those accusations are every bit as bad as the racist far right eliments in this country. I have absolutely no doubt of that whatsoever. I hate the Tories with a passion and always will but the current Leadership of the Labour party are equally as vile as those at the opposite end of the scale.

Incredibly I have seen some of those same posters getting on their high horse over events regarding Bernado and being horrified at the accusations of he being racist. Astonishing really.

The rise of the far right in the UK is a concern as indeed it is across Europe. They have no understanding that they are equally to blame for the rise of extreme politics Its a sad state off affairs.
 
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