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Mëtal Bikër said:
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Not under this government, think only a Labour led government would negotiate anything like it and then put it to a vote.
 
People aren't half getting carried away here, this is a proposal, a deal isn't in place yet.
It needs to pass and there's no way the Irish will agree
 
blueparrot said:
Not under this government, think only a Labour led government would negotiate anything like it and then put it to a vote.
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Really? We're talking about compromises we accept and you have to mention what the government thinks?
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Really? We're talking about compromises we accept and you have to mention what the government thinks?
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Because what we will accept and what is available are different things, if we'll except something and I'd accept EFTA, then I need to bring about the circumstances that will make EFTA available as a choice. As I said under this government wanting EFTA is pie in the sky
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
Not going to happen mate, it's not brexity enough for most even though it would solve the Ireland problem, do minimal damage to our economy and even allow the UK to have its own trade deals.

Brexit has become somewhat of a cult and a reasonable, smart compromise has been made impossible sadly.
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Again, is this like a hobby with remainers?

Here's a way out, start backing it; "but muh brexiteers...".Anyone who supports the idea of a soft brexit, here it is. Have enough of a majority and, democratically, it will pass. It's a cult on both sides; Those clinging to remaining is dragging this out. Those clinging to a clean break brexit is dragging this out. Do you want this ending or not?
 
blueparrot said:
Because what we will accept and what is available are different things, if we'll except something and I'd accept EFTA, then I need to bring about the circumstances that will make EFTA available as a choice. As I said under this government wanting EFTA is pie in the sky
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EU offered EFTA.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Again, is this like a hobby with remainers?

Here's a way out, start backing it; "but muh brexiteers...". Anyone who supports the idea of a soft brexit, here it is. Have enough of a majority and, democratically, it will pass. Those clinging to remaining is dragging this out. Those clinging to a clean break brexit is dragging this out. Do you want this ending or not?
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I've shown you this slide before but I will again. We have got too many red lines that make it impossible, the government have no interest in a soft brexit, neither do many leavers.

The common man can want it as much as he wants but it's not in our hands
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aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
I've shown you this slide before but I will again. We have got too many red lines that make it impossible, the government have no interest in a soft brexit, neither do many leavers.

The common man can want it as much as he wants but it's not in our hands
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"We" don't. This Conservative Government does. So how about "we" vote in MP's who publicly support it, as many of them claimed they would, and we the people, demand that they do, if they wish to be elected?

New Government, democratically voted for by the electorate, with an EFTA/EEA supporting majority, on both sides of the house, accepts terms, job done, move on.
 
blueparrot said:
I'm sure they did and still would, we could have it, if we asked tomorrow, but there isn't a hope in hell this government will ask for it, if you want it then you'll need a different government to get it.
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So how about start supporting and demanding MP's do just that, instead of having people constantly bleat about remaining, or voting to remain etc...

Remain is gone. Change the narrative to supporting EFTA/EEA. Campaign to rejoin the EU later of you so wish. Blaiming the government not backing it is a lazy excuse. You have the initiative here to put pressure on MP's, create a national movement to support EFTA membership, and get this situation over and done with.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
"We" don't. This Conservative Government does. So how about "we" vote in MP's who publicly support it, as many of them claimed they would, and we the people, demand that they do, if they wish to be elected?

New Government, democratically voted fro by the electorate, with an EFTA/EEA supporting majority, on both sides of the hous, accepts terms, job done, move on.
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Which party would fulfill it then?

* Conservatives want hard brexit/no deal
* Lib Dems are pro revoke A50
* Labour want a second ref

None are pushing EFTA/EEA so you can keep dreaming but it's not happening
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
Which party would fulfill it then?

* Conservatives want hard brexit/no deal
* Lib Dems are pro revoke A50
* Labour want a second ref

None are pushing EFTA/EEA so you can keep dreaming but it's not happening
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And there we have it. I just said; hold a general election, vote for MP's who publicly state their position is one that backs the UK joining the EFTA and accepts some EEA terms.

So what's your solution then? And don't even think about saying the words "revoking" or "remaining"...
 
mcfc1632 said:
Where is this compromise?

I would support all sorts of compromises that actually means that we genuinely leave the EU

It is the Remainers - led by the EU sycophants in Westminster and the naked politics of the opposition parties that stop such a deal being established - and yes - also May making no effort at consensus - but that effort would have been wasted

You all just want Brexit cancelled

Interestingly, the change in tone on here in recent weeks absolutely demonstrates the value of the no-deal option being kept alive
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Conversely, knowing No Deal is ruled out has made Johnson work to come up with a proposal that sounds good to those desperate to Leave. Pity it's crap.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
So how about start supporting and demanding MP's do just that, instead of having people constantly bleat about remaining, or voting to remain etc...

Remain is gone. Change the narrative to supporting EFTA/EEA. Campaign to rejoin the EU later of you so wish. Blaiming the government not backing it is a lazy excuse. You have the initiative here to put pressure on MP's, create a national movement to support EFTA membership, and get this situation over and done with.
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The only path towards that is, first an extension, then an election and hope we get a new government, which would probably need to be a Labour led coalition, that would negotiate for EFTA without the present red lines.
We can demand as much as we like, this present government, or any new conservative government, is set on it's red lines and in thrall to the ERG and DUP. Until we have an election EFTA isn't even in the room never mind on the table.
 
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