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Like the court case pre PM about him lying in the Brexit referendum an old Etonian would be chosen to judge any such case and Bozza would be free to go.didn't record any of their meetings in his diary which contains 1300 redactions - now this........flirting with breaking the Benn act too as one lawyer pointed out today its as if Johnson doesn't realise that misconduct in a public office carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49986409
gordondaviesmoustache
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Thought Disraeli was ok.
Rascal
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"Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man how to fish and he will eat for a lifetime, give a man religion and he will die praying for the fish."Thought Disraeli was ok.
Smart man, clever quote, extoling the virtues of education and deriding the power of religion at the same time.
TheRemainsOfTheDave
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Sounds more like he was saying don't expect the state to come to your aid every time being that the church was the closest thing to state benefits at the time."Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man how to fish and he will eat for a lifetime, give a man religion and he will die praying for the fish."
Smart man, clever quote, extoling the virtues of education and deriding the power of religion at the same time.
Rascal
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There were no state benefits at that time.Sounds more like he was saying don't expect the state to come to your aid every time being that the church was the closest thing to state benefits at the time.
Although he was seen as the man behind one nation Conservatism.
TheRemainsOfTheDave
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That's what I said.There were no state benefits at that time.
Although he was seen as the man behind one nation Conservatism.
Rascal
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I realised that after I hit the post button :)That's what I said.
All political parties will have a strategy for winning the next GE - Labour has one, although it seems a bit confusing as it has at its heart doing everything to avoid a GE.Everything now is about squeezing the Brexit Party out, maintaining Johnson's hard Brexit credentials and ensuring the EU and Parliament are the fall guys.
The LibDems have their plan and clearly the Conservatives will be/have been developing theirs.
Exactly what you describe there was the obvious strategy that I and others suggested many weeks ago - simply because it was totally obvious.
You did not expect them to have a strategy that was not based on the best way to win did you?
I’d say looking at the opinion polls it’s a strategy that’s working well, just need to pin the blame on the EU for the failure to get a deal and on Remainers in Parliament for the extension, then it’s game, set and match. As far as the GE manifesto goes, I’d be surprised if the Tories go all out for no deal, I’d expect them to put something in there along the lines of ‘we’ll continue to strain every sinew to get a deal, but if this proves impossible we’ll leave without a deal’. This gets the job done in terms of providing a mandate for no deal, but keeps as many Remainers on board as possible. If returned with a majority Boris can point to a mandate for no deal and demonstrate the political will to use it, and only then will we see sufficient movement to get this done.All political parties will have a strategy for winning the next GE - Labour has one, although it seems a bit confusing as it has at its heart doing everything to avoid a GE.
The LibDems have their plan and clearly the Conservatives will be/have been developing theirs.
Exactly what you describe there was the obvious strategy that I and others suggested many weeks ago - simply because it was totally obvious.
You did not expect them to have a strategy that was not based on the best way to win did you?
mancity2012_eamo
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And if he gets a majority on that basis, what's to stop him just exiting with no deal? Regardless of what he says beforehand.I’d say looking at the opinion polls it’s a strategy that’s working well, just need to pin the blame on the EU for the failure to get a deal and on Remainers in Parliament for the extension, then it’s game, set and match. As far as the GE manifesto goes, I’d be surprised if the Tories go all out for no deal, I’d expect them to put something in there along the lines of ‘we’ll continue to strain every sinew to get a deal, but if this proves impossible we’ll leave without a deal’. This gets the job done in terms of providing a mandate for no deal, but keeps as many Remainers on board as possible. If returned with a majority Boris can point to a mandate for no deal and demonstrate the political will to use it, and only then will we see sufficient movement to get this done.
I asked the question weeks back, if this exact scenario arose, do people think it it more or less likely that you would leave without a deal.
You would be in the exact same position as you are now, with a new deadline day, but one important difference. With a majority he can revoke the legislation stopping him going out without a deal.
I guess if he does win a majority you will find out at last if he was genuine about wanting a credible deal, one that will get the backing of NI and therefore Ireland/EU also and get it voted through parliament or will he just say that's it we're out.
I actually agreed with Corbyn on this 100% what is the point of having a Queens speech now? Its absurd to have one so close to another election other than create a political stunt to get the queen to effectively deliver a tory pre election broadcast speech. What happens after the election do we have another queens speech to replace the last one ? It makes no sense at all because we have no idea what the make up of the next government would be. Does Johnson see the Queen as some sort of political prop like he does with the police force? Lie to her about prorogueing parliament, how about he just writes her speech and she can used that well worn catch phrase at the end "And now lets just get Brexit done!"
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All political parties will have a strategy for winning the next GE - Labour has one, although it seems a bit confusing as it has at its heart doing everything to avoid a GE.
The LibDems have their plan and clearly the Conservatives will be/have been developing theirs.
Exactly what you describe there was the obvious strategy that I and others suggested many weeks ago - simply because it was totally obvious.
You did not expect them to have a strategy that was not based on the best way to win did you?
Silly me, I expect a strategy based on what's best for Britain.
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Well, yes exactly right. No more EU imposed deadlines, no more blocking Brexit by the Remainers in Parliament, we decide when we leave and if the terms available are acceptable.And if he gets a majority on that basis, what's to stop him just exiting with no deal? Regardless of what he says beforehand.
I asked the question weeks back, if this exact scenario arose, do people think it it more or less likely that you would leave without a deal.
You would be in the exact same position as you are now, with a new deadline day, but one important difference. With a majority he can revoke the legislation stopping him going out without a deal.
I guess if he does win a majority you will find out at last if he was genuine about wanting a credible deal, one that will get the backing of NI and therefore Ireland/EU also and get it voted through parliament or will he just say that's it we're out.
Because the Queen’s speech will contain more money for the NHS, more spending on schools, more police on the streets, and the Labour Party will be voting against these things, which will set the agenda for the election to come.I actually agreed with Corbyn on this 100% what is the point of having a Queens speech now? Its absurd to have one so close to another election other than create a political stunt to get the queen to effectively deliver a tory pre election broadcast speech. What happens after the election do we have another queens speech to replace the last one ? It makes no sense at all because we have no idea what the make up of the next government would be.
Rascal
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get Brexit done!"
Did you know that was an anagram of "I aint got a fucking clue how to do it"
Because the Queen’s speech will contain more money for the NHS, more spending on schools, more police on the streets, and the Labour Party will be voting against these things, which will set the agenda for the election to come.
Do you not get this that's not what a queen speech is all about? Its not an opportunity to deliver a political speech, its a ceremonial speech bringing in a newly elected government sending out the agenda for the new parliament term i.e. 5 years based upon the current fixed term. Johnson has been elected by his party not the public.
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Political stunt?
Cant remember seeing a political stunt in Parliament for ages lol.
Corbyn and co complaining about political stunts is hilarious.
Cant remember seeing a political stunt in Parliament for ages lol.
Corbyn and co complaining about political stunts is hilarious.
Rascal
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Because the Queen’s speech will contain more money for the NHS, more spending on schools, more police on the streets, and the Labour Party will be voting against these things, which will set the agenda for the election to come.
Spend Spend Spend.
Where is the money coming from?
Where are those magic money trees?
Why havent they fixed the roof whilst the sun was shining?
What about the national debt?
What about the deficit?
Have we maxed out the credit card?
They will be hoisted by their own petard.
I understand your point and of course Boris is using the Queen’s speech to get an important pre election message across to the British people. I just don’t have a problem with it.Do you not get this that's not what a queen speech is all about? Its not an opportunity to deliver a political speech, its a ceremonial speech bringing in a newly elected government sending out the agenda for the new parliament term i.e. 5 years based upon the current fixed term. Johnson has been elected by his party not the public.