gordondaviesmoustache
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Scum cunts.
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Go ChippyTo be fair (and speaking as a Remainer) i think it's fair to say the referendum result has been ignored.
The referendum provided parliament with a clear instruction that we should leave the EU. An argument can be made that since the Leave side so clearly stated that getting a deal would be like falling off a log, and that no-one was selling the idea of leaving without a deal, then fair enough, we should leave with a deal. To be honest, even that is throwing us Remainers a bone, since the requirement to have a deal was not on the ballot paper.
But Theresa May's deal, was us leaving with a deal. After 3 years of negotiations, we'd got to the point of OK we now must respect the referendum result, we went further and said we must leave with a deal, and here's the deal. And MP's ignored the mandate and voted it down.
At the time, I was supportive of this, since in my heart I do not want us to leave. But acting as we did WAS ignoring the mandate given in the 2016 referendum. There's no hiding from that fact.
Go Remainer honesty
This may or may not be at the heart of it. As it relates only to NI EU could probably wear it. Maybe.
The only solution currently under discussion that could square the customs circle is a reduced version of Theresa May’s New Customs Partnership. This would see NI leave the EU customs union with the rest of the UK but it would be treated administratively as if it was part of it. The proposal has problems for both sides but it satisfies the most important concerns of each of them.@IrishTimes.
Sounds great! how long before Scotland looks for the same deal? completely logical.
See.....deal will be agreed, each side will claim victory and that they got what they wanted and the world will move on.
Happy days ;-)
Exactly.
Who cares what we or anyone get, lose, or have lost so far, as long as we can say 'it' was done, because we said we wanted 'it'.
At least it might finally be over.
Even for a day, before many brexiters pipe up again claiming betrayal, and it not being The it they voted for.
Those cunts are getting no deal off us.
They are going nowhere.
you are donald tusk, and i claim my £3 (that a fiver will be worth in novemver).
The SNP wake starts on October 31st if a genuine Brexit happens. Independence would simply never be a rational option if the UK is outside the EU, it would mean they are finished along with Plaid - both flying straight to earth. Clearly the situation in Northern Ireland is different.
We disagree on a few things, but i often see your point even when i think otherwise.
This one however, you are so far off base and completely out of touch with reality, that it isn't even funny. In all seriousness, zero sense in what you believe. Trust a few on here a little more.
The SNP are finished with brexit done.
Or, only getting started?
The SNP are finished with brexit done.
Yep, nothing kills off nationalism like the sense of depriving people of their will, access to security and growth, and then letting them watch while someone else gets what they are looking for. Yippp, that wil nip it right in the bud!
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If Brexit happens the EU will be severely weakened, possibly terminally. They will be looking to lose poor nations not acquire them, both Scotland and Wales will soon be counting their current blessings. As prospective small member states, separated from the EU by their primary market, their economies could never survive unsupported in the trading environment that would follow our departure. Precedents just don't come into it, economic interest will drive all the decisions and England holds all the cards in that context. As I said, the NI is different but this deal gives the Unionists their best chance of remaining in the UK.
You've answered your own question. The prospect of England holding all the cards. Isnt that pretty much the SNP manifesto that?
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If Brexit happens the EU will be severely weakened, possibly terminally. They will be looking to lose poor nations not acquire them, both Scotland and Wales will soon be counting their current blessings. As prospective small member states, separated from the EU by their primary market, their economies could never survive unsupported in the trading environment that would follow our departure. Precedents just don't come into it, economic interest will drive all the decisions and England holds all the cards in that context. As I said, the NI is different but this deal gives the Unionists their best chance of remaining in the UK.
Ah so your brexit ambition is now clear. Shoot yourself in the foot, bleed out, and the other body parts will have to make do with what is left.
Some loving unionism that!
Bluemanc100
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Exactly.
Who cares what we or anyone get, lose, or have lost so far, as long as we can say 'it' was done, because we said we wanted 'it'.
At least it might finally be over.
Even for a day, before many brexiters pipe up again claiming betrayal, and it not being The it they voted for.
if you’re a democrat then you surely mean “we” voted for it.... you can’t pick and choose.. the nation decided leave ... pure and simple
Bluemanc100
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The pound will recover IF we leave... it’s only a matter of time.. some say recovery will take years, some say we’ll never recover but I say let’s wait and see ehyou are donald tusk, and i claim my £3 (that a fiver will be worth in novemver).
if you’re a democrat then you surely mean “we” voted for it.... you can’t pick and choose.. the nation decided leave ... pure and simple
Read again. We in the first paragraph. They in the second. Context.
yerwot?
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remainers will not be amazed when it turns out to be yet another attempt to blame the EU , "create a bubble of optimism in order to see it turn out to be as substantial as a bubble" , classic dom. classic murdoch. classic johnson. classic brexit. classic tory.
Classic response from the brexit pod as soon as they finish their smugfest, duly expected. (yawn)
Classic response from the brexit pod as soon as they finish their smugfest, duly expected. (yawn)
Seriously? You expect people who voted Remain to say "this is my shitshow". "I did this." "Ich bin ein Leaver no matter what I thought of the idea." Pure and simple balderdash.if you’re a democrat then you surely mean “we” voted for it.... you can’t pick and choose.. the nation decided leave ... pure and simple
More balderdash. I'm still waiting for the pound to recover to $2.80 from after WW2. Brexit makes parity the more likely option than any recovery ever.The pound will recover IF we leave... it’s only a matter of time.. some say recovery will take years, some say we’ll never recover but I say let’s wait and see eh
Churchlawtonblue
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Wonder if we got a glimmer of hope yesterday to end the stalemate. Fingers crossed.
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blueinsa
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I couldn't be bothered following the to and fro on Scotland (especially with the latent racism) but why would the electors in Scotland (presumably including blueinsa) think it irrational to want independence and to join the EU? (Even without the thought that Brexit itself is irrational.)
They dont.
SNP just lining up the next teat to suck on if they ever did get their wish which they know they wont.
Remember the SNP didn't and dont speak for over 1 Million Scots on this issue and they speak for a minority on independence.
Nasty little Nationalists.
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blueinsa
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Far from it, if they have to face tariffs and regulatory differences to their biggest export market while NI don't.
The EU is not their biggest export market.
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blueinsa
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It hasn't happened yet, when and if it does the EU chickens will be coming home to roost and most of those net contributors will be exposed for what they are - net liabilities- when our 14% isn't there to balance the books. The whole EU edifice is a house of cards and a big wind is coming - you'd be better off outside with us.
Small point of order if I may mate.
The books have never been balanced, ever, so no chance without our contributions.
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