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The government could swing it if Sinn Fein take the opportunity to end their self imposed Westminster exile. It certainly is a deal that is a first step towards Irish unification and although unlikely, maybe they would do it?
Almost worth it to see the Tories and Sinn Fein standing together and watch a few Tories self combust.
 
BobKowalski said:
Thats bollocks. It’s just lazy nonsense. If it was all just about what’s in for them they would have passed this deal months ago and when the shit hit the fan just shrugged and said it what’s you voted for.

You have no idea some of the abuse and nonsense MPs put up with simply for trying to do their job to the best of their ability.
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Calm down fella, we were having reasonable debate until you lost it yet again?! I based my statement on what has occurred the past 3 years plus. They are all in it for themselves simply playing party politics, it is disgraceful. They haven't passed any deal the past three years as the vast majority just want to get one over on their opposite number like Corbyn and co or they simply refuse point blank to accept that result of the referendum like Swinson and Clarke etc etc. Some in the Tory party have moved and accepted this is best deal we may get, but the rest haven't moved at all and its simply down to party politics. We both know that if Corbyn was PM and had presented this deal then he would be forcing his MPs to vote for it and the Tory's would be opposing it on mass.

I am sorry but if you think any of them in Westminster are able to sit down and discuss things in a sensible fashion and come to a consensus your are extremely naive and living in cloud cuckoo land or you have been living in a cave the past few years !

The fact is Westminster isn't fit for purpose. It hasn't been for a long time and Brexit has just shown it up for what it is, an unrepresentative, poorly functioning archaic system full of self centered greedy hypocrites.
 
BobKowalski said:
Are you trying to sell Brexit? Kind of getting mixed messages. Not exactly seeing sunlit uplands here.
There are smaller independent countries than Scotland in the EU. I guess it’s a state of mind. Besides as we are often told Brexit is about independence not economics :)
But you do at least concede that the price so far of Brexit was NI. Wonder what the final bill will be?
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Not trying to sell this Brexit for sure, the price is too high. Not quite the catrastrophic one of a Corbyn government but close. Trouble is an extension would probably end up with a Farage/ERG axis and No Deal anyway.

Scotland is an economic basket case, separated from the UK it has the highest deficit of any country in the developed world. The EU wouldn't let it near the eurozone so what would be its currency - Sterling? NI is not the DUP, their interests would be served by this deal and their days as a political part of the UK are numbered anyway. Selmayr will get his prize but will have to wait a few years yet - until it was going to be awarded anyway.
 
bellbuzzer said:
Everyone happy that the future of the country to be decided by a single vote, by politicians that have been shown to have a less than satisfactory regard for anything but their party's agenda,honesty and integrity.?
None of them will need to scrutinise the "deal", tories will always be tories, in any left v right vote, the opposition will chase crumbs like peasants under their master's table, and the rest and biggest part of the electorate, zombied into an induced apathy by the failure of worstminster to govern for the entire population, not just the puppet masters
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It's not a case of being happy about it. That's just how it works. FWIW, I actually agree that there are plenty in parliament with their own agendas but like it or not, parliament has the say on this.
 
Ban-jani said:
If you’re some back bench Labour MP, not involved in the publicity of it all, think Corbyn’s a bit of a prick but not strongly enough to do anything, you’re sick of this whole debacle, it must be incredibly hard not to just vote this through and have done with it.

I’m excited about it but also a bit nervous.

Stupidly I’m more nervous about City though, which I think sums me up.
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If this goes through Labour will be in a huge mess. They will hand a massive boost to Johnson ahead of a GE and will have a massive remain backlash to deal with. People bang on about Labour fighting in leave seats - labour voters are overwhelmingly remainers and many feel betrayed by the reluctance and delay in shifting to remain.
 
George Hannah said:
Not trying to sell this Brexit for sure, the price is too high. Not quite the catrastrophic one of a Corbyn government but close. Trouble is an extension would probably end up with a Farage/ERG axis and No Deal anyway.

Scotland is an economic basket case, separated from the UK it has the highest deficit of any country in the developed world. The EU wouldn't let it near the eurozone so what would be its currency - Sterling? NI is not the DUP, their interests would be served by this deal and their days as a political part of the UK are numbered anyway. Selmayr will get his prize but will have to wait a few years yet - until it was going to be awarded anyway.
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Is it currently higher than that of Greece in 2010? The EU is perfectly capable of accommodating and correcting, quite severely, errant members, and it would have few qualms gulping down Scotland. It’s already got its teeth into Northern Ireland and Gibraltar, if the deal is passed, so perhaps it’s the UK’s days that are numbered. Who voted for this? :-(
 
Gaudion M said:
People bang on about Labour fighting in leave seats - labour voters are overwhelmingly remainers
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Sorry but this is a complete and utter fallacy. 61% of Labour constituencies voted to leave!

But you or course right when you say if this goes through Corbyn and co are knackered.
 
What are Farage’s thoughts and the ‘clean break’ Brexit people’s thoughts on the deal?
dave_blue12 said:
They have nailed it.

The Union is highly unlikely to survive this.

Sinn Fein must be laughing their cocks off. The DUP have propped up the Tories only to be fucked right over at the death.
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What did they think would happen?
 
dave_blue12 said:
They have nailed it.

The Union is highly unlikely to survive this.

Sinn Fein must be laughing their cocks off. The DUP have propped up the Tories only to be fucked right over at the death.
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I said a while back that the DUP will be the first victim of the brexit fantasy falling apart. The DUP love the concept of brexit but the reality is that it makes a mess of NI and the GFA. There are two options you either do a very soft brexit or you fuck off NI. The DUP have been propping up the tories for years believing in some magical solution and here we are... they have been fucked off.
 
All this deal is, is May's a turd that hasn't been attempted to be polished because they have given up and decided to throw more shit on to get rid of the smell.
 
Chippy_boy said:
In simple terms because it gets rid of the backstop. Remember what the backstop meant:

If at the end of the transition period, no trade deal had been agreed, then the backstop would kick in and critically we would not be able to leave it without the consent of the EU. We'd be trapped and signed up to EU rules and "level playing field" conditions - removing our ability to compete more effectively - potentially forever, and unable to get out of it.
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Yeah.
We got rid off what we agreed and replaced it with a ' front end backstop' as per the EU's original suggestion.
Oh and a foreign border in our country.
 
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