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blueparrot said:
Assuming all that, what concessions are the UK going to offer for a FTA?
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You expect me or anyone else on here to be able to answer that?

I've given my opinion on the future political landscape fo the UK if this deal doesnt get voted through and any FTA is a long way off if that does come about and as I've said, a Tory/eurosceptic government of the day with a majority will make the current lot you call right wing fascists seem like a girl guides brigade when it comes to dealing with the EU.
 
dave_blue12 said:
Why do you think the ERG will vote in favour ?

Because they can see a no deal Brexit at the end of 2020.

If this passes tomorrow that's it we are fucked.

Singapore on Thames here we come.
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As i've questioned in previous posts, have you been to Singapore? Venezuala, it is not.
 
blueinsa said:
You expect me or anyone else on here to be able to answer that?

I've given my opinion on the future political landscape fo the UK if this deal doesnt get voted through and any FTA is a long way off if that does come about and as I've said, a Tory/eurosceptic government of the day with a majority will make the current lot you call right wing fascists seem like a girl guides brigade when it comes to dealing with the EU.
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Not really no, but depending on who’s negotiating any future agreement then the agreements available and the prices of those agreements vary massively, and could still be anything from a Norway agreement to a No deal and could take years so we might not be much further forward even if this gets passed as far as I can see.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
They also want in.
In power.
The possibility of that, even if they manage to stymie Johnson yet again, is now remote, to say the least.
If Corbyn thinks his incessant refusals to vote for anything, or to state which position he adopts, is gaining him
popularity, he's deluded. Labour have had obscure and constantly changing narratives on Brexit now for the past 3 years,
their modus operandi has been to attempt to humiliate Johnson, to object and introduce ridiculous stunts like the Benn act,
and Johnson has now completely done them over. If this deal isn't passed, it won't hurt Johnson, Corbyn could not possibly
refuse a GE, it will be called, and he will be well beaten imo.
If this happens, and labour don't get an electable leader immediately, they're gone for the forseeable.
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Agree with that. They have been pathetic, as an opposition party. Under millibad, and even more under Corbyn.
 
Len Rum said:
Fcuks sake. You're wrong on this poll and it 's conclusions were challenged by other pollsters.
But I conceded that polls have generally not moved significantly to remain so what's the point of going into detail on a football forum on a contested recent poll.
More importantly you ignored my reply on your "time to move on comment", as in fact Brexit could dominate British politics for years to come.
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Len, you seem to be getting quite angry when I simply point out some simple facts that you do not like .

As regards your second point , quite clearly we can't resolve anything without the first stage being agreed. It is a step in the right direction. I can understand your disappointment because everything you have been preaching against the past three years looks as if it is about to be enacted. And if it doesn't tomorrow. Then i am guessing your hero Corbyn certainly will be obliterated out of site in an autumn GE. This will be a good thing in the long term as hopefully labour might change course get a new leadership team, become more of a centre left party, thus become electable and form a credible opposition and hold this Tory government to account. Something it has been unable to do so far.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
lovely place Singapore makes me laugh people using it as an example of some kind of shit hole.

it’s a vibrant multicultural exciting hub
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Indeed so. It is not perfect - where is? But a shit hole it is not, and in some important respects such as health care for example, it's miles better than the UK.
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
I'll post it for you again mate, maybe you made a mistake



Johnson said no prime minister could ever have a border in the Irish sea, looks like he's forgotten his own words sadly
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You are confident about something

On phone so will look later - but not sure why this is relevant to me?
 
blueinsa said:
John Mann nailing the situation on sky news right now for the labour party.
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As a party, they would probably be better off voting for it. Simply because they can try and take some of the credit when it goes ahead. If it gets turned down they will be blamed to a certain ammount of the elctorate and slump even further down in the opinion polls. They are begining to look like an extremist party like the Lib Dems, SNP and even the Brexit Party. If the deal goes thru Johnson will have outmanouvered them all and effectively stolen the middle ground.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
As a party, they would probably be better off voting for it. Simply because they can try and take some of the credit when it goes ahead. If it gets turned down they will be blamed to a certain ammount of the elctorate and slump even further down in the opinion polls. They are begining to look like an extremist party like the Lib Dems, SNP and even the Brexit Party. If the deal goes thru Johnson will have outmanouvered them all and effectively stolen the middle ground.
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The only saving grace for Labour at the coming GE is that they can look the electorate in the eye and say they ultimately came through on their manifesto promise to get brexit through and done.

Without it they are royally fucked and a few MP's being threatened with deselection by Momentum is the least of their worries.

I get the feeling that power isn't important here in the short term and i will ask @Rascal to maybe elaborate and say I'm right or talking shit but the party becoming a true socialist party of the left is far more important to them and the real goal.

Boris has politically out manoeuvred them all and played a blinder to be honest against the biggest odds probably ever stacked against a PM with no majority and every vote going against and he still delievered what he and we all where told was the impossible.
 
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