Var debate 2019/20

[Colin Bells Boots]

That is the big issue mate and it makes you question the point in it.

Surely the buggers responsible for the whole farcical state of affairs involving VAR need to be held to account on that aspect, but nobody is holding their breath due to their refusal to operate the system properly or admit that it is an utter farce which is ruining the game .

It is the English football authorities version of " the kings new clothes " , with the PL/FA and PiGMOL all telling fans how good it is and how it benefits the game.

Arrogant and fraudulent twats.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

So let me get this right, you thought Var made the correct decision regarding the first rag goal?

VAR didn't make the decision. Atkinson did and VAR just upheld it, as it always does.

 

[franksinatra]

So let me get this right, you thought Var made the correct decision regarding the first rag goal?

Course he thought it was the right decision and he would be saying exactly the same thing, like others calling it debatable on this thread, if the decision went against City.

 

[franksinatra]

Surely the buggers responsible for the whole farcical state of affairs involving VAR need to be held to account on that aspect, but nobody is holding their breath due to their refusal to operate the system properly or admit that it is an utter farce which is ruining the game .

It is the English football authorities version of " the kings new clothes " , with the PL/FA and PiGMOL all telling fans how good it is and how it benefits the game.

Arrogant and fraudulent twats.

Could not agree more. Its been an absolute disaster. I was against it from the outset and nothing has made me change my mind.

My biggest fear was how it would impact on the emotion of the game but that was before I knew how poorly it would be adopted.

 

[The blue phantom]

VAR didn't make the decision. Atkinson did and VAR just upheld it, as it always does.

That's not what I'm arguing about, the general vibe is Liverpool will get every possible favour going their way, even if blatant.

So they were robbed with the rags goal, and even as obvious as it was regarding the handball folk would of still thought Var would of helped the Scousers out. They didn't.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

That's not what I'm arguing about, the general vibe is Liverpool will get every possible favour going their way, even if blatant.

So they were robbed with the rags goal, and even as obvious as it was regarding the handball folk would of still thought Var would of helped the Scousers out. They didn't.

Apologies. Hadn't read that part of the thread. Basically VAR is shit for everyone. Still think the "foul" leading to the rags goal would've been soft.
But what is a foul, these days. Sterling got booked for one on Ward yesterday and he doesn't even touch him.

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

VAR didn't make the decision. Atkinson did and VAR just upheld it, as it always does.

VAR does not always uphold referees decisions? It disallowed the Jesus winning goal v spurs? It disallowed manes goal today?

 

[cleavers]

Even klopp thought KdB was a penalty yesterday, he said he asked today's referee why it wasn't given, and was told not clear and obvious (ie we're not over turning our mates decision, not for them, not for you).

 

[cleavers]

Still think the "foul" leading to the rags goal would've been soft.
But what is a foul, these days.

Its one given on field at the time, regardless of replays its not a foul when referred to var, and if it is given, but looks dubious on replays its still a foul, hope that clears it up.

 

[Metalartin]

Can't believe the dipper sympathisers on this thread. The incident that led to United's counter attack goal, there was contact but he chose to go down because he lost the ball not because of the contact(which wasn't heavy contact at all). That's why it's not clear and obvious, was he impeded enough to go down or did he make the choice to go down? Furthermore because of the penalty Mané was given against Leicester which definitely should have been overturned by VAR(even the broadcasters agreeing with that for once) at worst they've just had one of their gifts evened out. They still have no room to complain about bad luck and being screwed over by refs, they get too much going their way with refs these days.

They'd not be able to handle it, if Liverpool started getting the City treatment that's for sure, looking at the reaction to that semi-injustice. Those happen every other game for City and the ref waves play on with a big smile on his face. Latest example being, Rodri was brought down for Wolves' second goal, not only was it not looked at by VAR but Sky wouldn't show it again to give us a second look at it. Rodri was appealing which is the cue to look at the incident normally.

The handball was one you'd want given, he directly gained control of the ball and then scored thanks to the handball. How can anyone argue with that?

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Let’s get one thing clear here, Candlepool weren’t screwed over by VAR today. Nobody can deny use of the arm by Mane but no way the ref could have seen it so VAR did it’s job. If Origi’s first touch was any good he wouldn’t have felt the need to have gone tumbling as if hit by a sniper. Yes there was contact but it’s not a foul. For comparison look at how Jesus was pushed and pulled yesterday and we got nothing. If Origi goes over at that sort of contact he better stay indoors when it’s windy.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

Its one given on field at the time, regardless of replays its not a foul when referred to var, and if it is given, but looks dubious on replays its still a foul, hope that clears it up.

See you purposely missed the Sterling bit off, whereby one is given for no contact. Anyway mister clever fucker, it was mean't rhetorically.

 

[cleavers]

See you purposely missed the Sterling bit off, whereby one is given for no contact. Anyway mister clever fucker, it was mean't rhetorically.

It was a joke, not serious, deary me.

 

[kaz7]

Just stop wasting everyones time,everyone stops,the ref taps his ear,var probably sings him a song or something,surprise var doesn't give it,just stop pretending,it's a fucking farce

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

It was a joke, not serious, deary me.

Apologies. I was reading it, as you taking the piss. Apologies again.

 

[The blue phantom]

Let’s get one thing clear here, Candlepool weren’t screwed over by VAR today. Nobody can deny use of the arm by Mane but no way the ref could have seen it so VAR did it’s job. If Origi’s first touch was any good he wouldn’t have felt the need to have gone tumbling as if hit by a sniper. Yes there was contact but it’s not a foul. For comparison look at how Jesus was pushed and pulled yesterday and we got nothing. If Origi goes over at that sort of contact he better stay indoors when it’s windy.

Would you of been on this thread complaining had we had those decisions today?

Come on be honest?

 

[mikemcfc]

V ariable
A pplicable
R esult

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Let's be honest, the fact that their goal was disallowed was just as much bullshit as it was when ours was. But we lost 2 points because of a stupid rule and so have they now. But it wasn't VAR's fault that their only shot on target in the second half was their goal. They didn't deserve a win and barely deserved a draw against a shit team.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

Let's be honest, the fact that their goal was disallowed was just as much bullshit as it was when ours was. But we lost 2 points because of a stupid rule and so have they now. But it wasn't VAR's fault that their only shot on target in the second half was their goal. They didn't deserve a win and barely deserved a draw against a shit team.

Don't agree. Mane traps the ball with thigh and arm and then scores. No way can it compare to our non goal against Spurs.

 

[Metalartin]

Let's be honest, the fact that their goal was disallowed was just as much bullshit as it was when ours was. But we lost 2 points because of a stupid rule and so have they now. But it wasn't VAR's fault that their only shot on target in the second half was their goal. They didn't deserve a win and barely deserved a draw against a shit team.

It wasn't the same as Laporte's for me, which was a glance off his arm he couldn't avoid. Mané gained possession(or it at least helped him control it more quickly) then scored from it, he directly benefited from his own handball. This one was more like the Llorente elbow, not deliberate but not what you want to see allowed.

If I'm being fair I probably would have been saying I wanted that foul given for United's goal if it happened to City, as soft as it was. He's had contact and gone down and they are normally given. So the case there is consistency.

The handball rule seems to divide a lot of people, I'm happy for handballs like that where he's obviously had a slice of luck by it hitting his own arm, to be ruled out every time. Even if we're on the wrong end of it. Laporte's is taking it too far though, that could easily have glanced off the Spur's defender's arm in the same way and play goes on. Jesus made that goal.

The gaining possession part of the IFAB rule makes a lot of sense, the more I think about it, shame the PL decided to ignore that part for their version.