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Ancient Citizen said:
Corbyn's a liar. You know he is. You don't care.
Daft game this Vic, but if it works for you, crack on.
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Saddleworth2 said:
We are leaving the UK on the basis of the 'promises/lies' that you attempt to deflect or deny. That is the simple truth mate and no amount of whataboutery will change that. Just pointing out inconvenient truths less they be forgotten by those that support this fuckery.
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No, we are leaving the EU on the basis of wanting to do so for donkey's years.
Trying to put it all on various campaign slogans is futile now, but we're still hearing it.
You think doing so is fuckery, those who voted to leave don't.
 
Ban-jani said:
Those signs were nothing but a gimmick to try and appear strong on immigration, rather than a serious policy.

I doubt a single illegal immigrant left because they read one.
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Those signs were on display and being driven around at exactly the same time as the Tory Government were forcibly deporting people in the Windrush scandal (they managed to get us to forget about that quickly didn't they?)
 
Ancient Citizen said:
I go to a EU country regularly, see and speak to the people you so charmingly describe as ignorant morons.
None I've met, and I've met plenty, is in any way fearful of being deported back to the UK, nobody has decided to return here,
for the reasons you describe, and none have come a cropper. In fact, there is a steady influx of newly arrived, buying up
properties, that market is thriving over there, many are from the UK, many from other European countries. If you have the
means to support yourself, and are bringing funds into their country, a state of affairs that's guaranteed to boost their economy,
which it does to a large extent, you have no problems at all.
Oh, and many are looking forward to Christmas.
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I bet they are but lets see whether the new year brings them some nice surprises!!
 
Blue Hefner said:
Millionaires running campaigns, which are essentially big businesses, is hardly new. The issue particularly with Aaron Banks is where that money came from

On another note - how long do MPs have off for Xmas/New Year? My point being that if the extension is to 31st Jan 2020, considering they don’t sit on Fridays anyway how much work will actually get done in that time. I.e total sitting days?
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I don't understand this obssession with big business being behind Brexit. Labour have done very well to sell that behind every business there is an evil tax dodging Murdoch. It fits their narrative of being anti-business in order to claim state ownership on everything light touches.

Aaron Banks is not a big businessman, I had never heard of him until Brexit came along. The vast majority of businesses say Brexit is bad and the City of London who Labour despises is ground zero as remain strongholds go.

People often quote this kind of strange conspiracy theorist nonsense and then mention how big business and dirty tax dodgers are behind the lies... It just has no credibility whatsoever.
 
inbetween said:
I don't understand this obssession with big business being behind Brexit. Labour have done very well to sell that behind every business there is an evil tax dodging Murdoch. It fits their narrative of being anti-business in order to claim state ownership on everything light touches.

Aaron Banks is not a big businessman, I had never heard of him until Brexit came along. The vast majority of businesses say Brexit is bad and the City of London who Labour despises is ground zero as remain strongholds go.

People often quote this kind of strange conspiracy theorist nonsense and then mention how big business and dirty tax dodgers are behind the lies... It just has no credibility whatsoever.
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Ive been in a meeting with Banks ..... he is big business.
 
inbetween said:
I don't understand this obssession with big business being behind Brexit. Labour have done very well to sell that behind every business there is an evil tax dodging Murdoch. It fits their narrative of being anti-business in order to claim state ownership on everything light touches.

Aaron Banks is not a big businessman, I had never heard of him until Brexit came along. The vast majority of businesses say Brexit is bad and the City of London who Labour despises is ground zero as remain strongholds go.

People often quote this kind of strange conspiracy theorist nonsense and then mention how big business and dirty tax dodgers are behind the lies... It just has no credibility whatsoever.
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This is all true.

The only businesses behind Brexit are a few outliers with their own particular circumstances. e.g. Wetherspoons, run by an idiot; Dyson with motivations to do with his having moved his business to Singapore; Tate&Lyle who are at a disadvantage against British Sugar, since the latter gets its raw ingredients from inside the EU, and T&L from outside. I struggle to think of any others. The other 967,000 businesses (made up number) by and large, think Brexit is a ludicrous idea.
 
Chippy_boy said:
This is all true.

The only businesses behind Brexit are a few outliers with their own particular circumstances. e.g. Wetherspoons, run by an idiot; Dyson with motivations to do with his having moved his business to Singapore; Tate&Lyle who are at a disadvantage against British Sugar, since the latter gets its raw ingredients from inside the EU, and T&L from outside. I struggle to think of any others. The other 967,000 businesses (made up number) think Brexit is a ludicrous idea.
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The guy behind Dyson and Weatherspoon's vote is the exact same as yours or mine mate.

It holds no more weight.
 
blueinsa said:
The guy behind Dyson and Weatherspoon's vote is the exact same as yours or mine mate.

It holds no more weight.
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No, but these organizations have been held up by the Leave side as being evidence of big business supporting Brexit. Talk about scraping the barrel.

I don't mind that you want out for whatever reasons. I do mind that the Leave campaign disingenuously tried to suggest that it is something widely supported by businesses. It isn't.

I also mind BTW that Question Time kept having the Weatherspoons dickhead on the program, despite his views being ENTIRELY unrepresentative.
 
Chippy_boy said:
This is all true.

The only businesses behind Brexit are a few outliers with their own particular circumstances. e.g. Wetherspoons, run by an idiot; Dyson with motivations to do with his having moved his business to Singapore; Tate&Lyle who are at a disadvantage against British Sugar, since the latter gets its raw ingredients from inside the EU, and T&L from outside. I struggle to think of any others. The other 967,000 businesses (made up number) by and large, think Brexit is a ludicrous idea.
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To be honest I think Wetherspoons in particular is the only business I can think of that has really even mentioned Brexit in a positive light.

I worked at Wetherspoons and you always saw his articles in the company mags so political lobbying from him is nothing new.

When I was there he was banging on about taxes on alcohol. He wants Brexit because he has calculated that it would benefit his business, nothing wrong with that of course.

I can't think of any others that are in favour and have expressed that. The only thing we have ever heard over the last 3 years is how the FTSE will pack up and leave, Airbus will leave, the car industry will collapse etc.

I don't know how remainers and certainly Labour can say that big business is correct that we should remain but then simultaneously say that big business is behind the campaign to leave for tax dodging reasons etc!

The support of one fool like Aaron Banks is just totally irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
 
inbetween said:
I don't understand this obssession with big business being behind Brexit. Labour have done very well to sell that behind every business there is an evil tax dodging Murdoch. It fits their narrative of being anti-business in order to claim state ownership on everything light touches.

Aaron Banks is not a big businessman, I had never heard of him until Brexit came along. The vast majority of businesses say Brexit is bad and the City of London who Labour despises is ground zero as remain strongholds go.

People often quote this kind of strange conspiracy theorist nonsense and then mention how big business and dirty tax dodgers are behind the lies... It just has no credibility whatsoever.
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News > UK > UK Politics
Brexit campaign was largely funded by five of UK's richest businessmen

The five contributed £15m out of a total £24.1m given to Leave campaigns in the five months before the referendum
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...st-businessmen-peter-hargreaves-a7699046.html
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
I understand and totally respect your views.
It might not seem it for someone who has been very vocal about leaving but I'm past caring now and dont give a fuck.
This country was finished a long time ago and Brexit wont heal anything.
Personally I think Brexit won't happen and it will get over turned.
All I can say is from my point of view is I will never vote again and a lot of others feel the same.
The way the politicians have behaved is totally disgraceful and basically what we have is a pro remain parliament doing everything to stop it.
I predict mass civil unrest somewhere down the line.
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No need for civil unrest
We live in a parliamentary democracy
if a MP is not representing your wishes in a way you don't like, then you have the choice to vote them out.

Seems fair to me.
 
Chippy_boy said:
This is all true.

The only businesses behind Brexit are a few outliers with their own particular circumstances. e.g. Wetherspoons, run by an idiot; Dyson with motivations to do with his having moved his business to Singapore; Tate&Lyle who are at a disadvantage against British Sugar, since the latter gets its raw ingredients from inside the EU, and T&L from outside. I struggle to think of any others. The other 967,000 businesses (made up number) by and large, think Brexit is a ludicrous idea.
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A few of you know what I do but I'm not advertising on here because dickheads jump all over it. This is absolutely correct. Every "serious" business person I speak to, and I speak to a lot, is massively anti-Brexit. But most are scared of going public because they don't want to alienate customers.
 
Chippy_boy said:
This is all true.

The only businesses behind Brexit are a few outliers with their own particular circumstances. e.g. Wetherspoons, run by an idiot; Dyson with motivations to do with his having moved his business to Singapore; Tate&Lyle who are at a disadvantage against British Sugar, since the latter gets its raw ingredients from inside the EU, and T&L from outside. I struggle to think of any others. The other 967,000 businesses (made up number) by and large, think Brexit is a ludicrous idea.
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Next retail as well. They’re seeing their sales plummeting and probably want to see people spending at home, rather than going abroad often and spending money there.

Considering the EU have granted UK nationals 90 free days travel, post Brexit, those running Next hoping that people will travel less are widely mistaken.

Anyway, your point is correct, most big businesses are against Brexit.
 
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