General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Ancient Citizen]

Not that I agree with your description of Jezz, but I'd rather have a man child in charge than these Tory gangsters.
State of this country - fcuked, divided, no future for young people.
It's the Tory gangsters who have brought us to this point,not Jezz.

Fine, you'd better hope the man child gets in then.
What happens if he doesn't, would you still stick with him?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Boris will continue to be overwhelmed by events - instead of getting on to HIS Brexit agenda I am sure all questions will turn to Government inaction over cladding post Grenfell - I mean its not even possible for him to use deflection targets and wheel JRM out to make a comment on the topic is it?

Events dear boy events.......

https://news.sky.com/story/fire-at-bolton-student-flats-is-crawling-up-cladding-11862469

Doubt it, most folk realise that every single high rise in the country wasn't built when the Tories were in power,
and when they were, they weren't constructed to ensure as many people as possible get burned to death.
I know Labour need shit to sling, but even then, I doubt they'll try blaming Boris for it.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Doubt it, most folk realise that every single high rise in the country wasn't built when the Tories were in power,
and when they were, they weren't constructed to ensure as many people as possible get burned to death.
I know Labour need shit to sling, but even then, I doubt they'll try blaming Boris for it.

Its not a matter of Labour attacking Johnson - its about a growing story - Grenfell + cladding + nothing yet done + JRM comments + another fire.........If the press start going at them on the subject - and weekends are a bit quiet on the campaign trail - it means they again the Tories aren't setting their agenda aren't pushing out a message but instead having to fire fight ( no pun intended ) and respond to events. That comes across as weak leadership.

I am sure they had a big planner for the campaign day 1 we do X - oh fuck flooding - day 2 its on to Y - oh fuck the NHS figs - day 3 on to Z - oh fuck free broadband - every day knocked off course, Johnson getting barracked when attending the floods so on and so on it reminiscent of Maydays performance where they tried to plod on down their campaign path but were constantly made to look weak by events - then like now Labour can get on with their own campaign and leave the Tories to it - the problem with calling a "Brexit Election" v.2.0 it just shows they haven't learnt - a GE is about everything in peoples lives. Ironically if you want to get the populations view on a single issue then you have a vote solely on that single issue - or a referendum as its called.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Its not a matter of Labour attacking Johnson - its about a growing story - Grenfell + cladding + nothing yet done + JRM comments + another fire.........If the press start going at them on the subject - and weekends are a bit quiet on the campaign trail - it means they again the Tories aren't setting their agenda aren't pushing out a message but instead having to fire fight ( no pun intended ) and respond to events. That comes across as weak leadership.

I am sure they had a big planner for the campaign day 1 we do X - oh fuck flooding - day 2 its on to Y - oh fuck the NHS figs - day 3 on to Z - oh fuck free broadband - every day knocked off course, Johnson getting barracked when attending the floods so on and so on it reminiscent of Maydays performance where they tried to plod on down their campaign path but were constantly made to look weak by events - then like now Labour can get on with their own campaign and leave the Tories to it - the problem with calling a "Brexit Election" v.2.0 it just shows they haven't learnt - a GE is about everything in peoples lives. Ironically if you want to get the populations view on a single issue then you have a vote solely on that single issue - or a referendum as its called.

So, other than opponents of Johnson, it what way do you think this will persuade people to vote for Labour?
Floods happen, Johnson's not responsible for the weather, plus the areas affected are on flood plains, NHS is an easy target,
because it's never been right, free broadband is lunacy, etc; I know the mud slinging is part and parcel, but none seems to
be sticking. I know Labour are desperate to try and deflect from their feeble stance on Brexit, but this election has been called
because of it, to attempt to marginalise it as something nobody's particularly bothered about, is understandable, but futile imo.
Still, hope springs eternal, as they say.

 

[stonerblue]

Says the guy who thinks economic growth and money are not important.

Ok.

For someone who's been stomping around this thread all week calling people thick and ignorant i'm surprised you can't fucking read. Show me where i've said money is not important.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I'm one and will be voting Labour. More to life than business, growth and money.

There are plenty of morally responsible business owners who won't be. In the last few years we have introduced profit share for all staff, annual pay rises of 2 and 3 times inflation. And a 9 day fortnight. We also have no issue paying our fair share of corporation tax. Big businesses need to pay their fair share, as many pay little or no corporation tax or VAT in the UK. The Tax system needs radical overall to make sure every company pays their fair share. My fears are Labour will just raise taxes which will hit S M businesses hardest with the big companies still using international tax avoidance schemes. They have done this every time they have got into power.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Assuming you believe he is only in this for personal gain of some kind - reputation, ego or whatever - can you think of any realistic scenario in which he seeks to wilfully do what you suggest? How? In what way?

This thought had never crossed my mind, I swear

 

[stonerblue]

There are plenty of morally responsible business owners who won't be. In the last few years we have introduced profit share for all staff, annual pay rises of 2 and 3 times inflation. And a 9 day fortnight. We also have no issue paying our fair share of corporation tax. Big businesses need to pay their fair share, as many pay little or no corporation tax or VAT in the UK. The Tax system needs radical overall to make sure every company pays their fair share. My fears are Labour will just raise taxes which will hit S M businesses hardest with the big companies still using international tax avoidance schemes. They have done this every time they have got into power.

Agree with most of that but not sure about the last bit.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidp...all-businesses-should-not-fear-jeremy-corbyn/

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Agree with most of that but not sure about the last bit.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidp...all-businesses-should-not-fear-jeremy-corbyn/

Supose I'm a bit of a socialist at heart. I strongly believe in a well funded NHS , dont have private healthcare ins and never will, I went to a state school same as my kids. But by the same token i will also defend others rights to send their kids to private sch and use private health care as their choice. I would also love to see any government share UK wealth more evenly. Why does northern England always have to be last when it comes to capital expenditure and regional funding. No real issue with a moderate Labour government but this lot scare the hell out of me with their spending plans.

 

[Ban-jani]

There are plenty of morally responsible business owners who won't be. In the last few years we have introduced profit share for all staff, annual pay rises of 2 and 3 times inflation. And a 9 day fortnight. We also have no issue paying our fair share of corporation tax. Big businesses need to pay their fair share, as many pay little or no corporation tax or VAT in the UK. The Tax system needs radical overall to make sure every company pays their fair share. My fears are Labour will just raise taxes which will hit S M businesses hardest with the big companies still using international tax avoidance schemes. They have done this every time they have got into power.

The trouble is post Brexit we’ll need to be highly competitive so I cannot see the Tories doing anything but lowering corporation tax, which to be honest I’m not opposed to for just a few years.

We need the UK to be very much open for business.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Not that I agree with your description of Jezz, but I'd rather have a man child in charge than these Tory gangsters.
State of this country - fcuked, divided, no future for young people.
It's the Tory gangsters who have brought us to this point,not Jezz.

You're a sad old fool Len. We got that already. No need to keep reminding us.

 

[The perfect fumble]

You're a sad old fool Len. We got that already. No need to keep reminding us.

Len's not sad.

 

[Chippy_boy]

The trouble is post Brexit we’ll need to be highly competitive so I cannot see the Tories doing anything but lowering corporation tax, which to be honest I’m not opposed to for just a few years.

We need the UK to be very much open for business.

Absolutely this. I've said for years that Labour and Brexit would be the worst possible combination. Brexit will make it more difficult to attract inward investment and Labour policies would have them positively sprinting for the door. Absolute nightmare scenario, which thank God now seems very unlikely. Although it is not an absolutely foregone conclusion that Remain would win a second referendum, mind. People gave Leave no chance in the first one.

 

[Chippy_boy]

For someone who's been stomping around this thread all week calling people thick and ignorant i'm surprised you can't fucking read. Show me where i've said money is not important.

No need mate, we all read it the first time.

 

[stonerblue]

No need mate, we all read it the first time.

You've read fuck all by me that says that have you?

 

[The perfect fumble]

Corbyn is still rooted in the student protest movements of the '60's, despite the evidence of his own eyes, he clings to
the belief that this bankrupt philosophy is what we should adopt, he's a zealot, a man child, that just can not countenance
that his thinking is flawed. The tragedy, is that a once respected party is in the grip of such people because, in the main,
of the introduction of a £3 a pop membership, that instantly became the new home of far left nutters throughout the land.
The biggest hit to the Conservative campaign now, would be Labour binning this poison once and for all, sadly for them,
he's going for the last chance dance, and unless the polls are miles out, if they stick with him, they're screwed for years.

And the Tories are rooted in the Thatcherism of the 80's. Boris might sound like Harold Macmillan but he's a Thatcherite neoliberal halfwit educated beyond his mental capacity. That obvious limitation normally doesn't matter in his class, the likes of Johnson are usually pushed in to some cushy sinecure, or the army, but sadly the likes of you will ensure that the fat fool might well bumble back in to Downing Street and fuck us all over for a generation or two.

 

[urban genie]

The green party
Will will have a green new policy where our future society is bulit around the enviroment and saving tge planet.

Labour
We will base our new economic future and a green new deal investing in new technologies and enviromentally friendly and effective policy.


Conservatives and greens
We will plant 700 new trees, an idea striaght out of 30 years ago.

And they say Labour are stuck with policies from the 70s

 

[Ban-jani]

Absolutely this. I've said for years that Labour and Brexit would be the worst possible combination. Brexit will make it more difficult to attract inward investment and Labour policies would have them positively sprinting for the door. Absolute nightmare scenario, which thank God now seems very unlikely. Although it is not an absolutely foregone conclusion that Remain would win a second referendum, mind. People gave Leave no chance in the first one.

Here’s my dilemma.

I’d have a left wing government and remain but if we’re to leave then a right wing/centrist government would be definitely preferred.

Labour/LibDem winning would make remaining more likely but then if we left, following another vote, with Corbyn policies, then I do really worry about the economy.

I’m the most confused man in confused ville.

 

[Chippy_boy]

You've read fuck all by me that says that have you?

You know that old expression, "when you're in a hole, stop digging?" Actually, maybe you haven't.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Here’s my dilemma.

I’d have a left wing government and remain but if we’re to leave then a right wing/centrist government would be definitely preferred.

Labour/LibDem winning would make remaining more likely but then if we left, following another vote, with Corbyn policies, then I do really worry about the economy.

I’m the most confused man in confused ville.

I guess you have to figure whether Boris is going to get a majority or not. Brexit is almost certainly dead if he doesn't. Perhaps the best time to judge will be December 11.

Edit: Changed my mind. You're in a good place. We're only getting Brexit with a Tory government, aren't we. So you're sorted.