General Election - December 12th, 2019

[gordondaviesmoustache]

You reckon a reasoned conclusion could be that leaving on any terms at all including WTO is preferable than remaining with a moderate Labour government?

No.

 

[Scottyboi]

I dont care if its 20 years so long as remain campaigners dont get their way.

In 20 years half the leave vote will be dead, what a legacy.

 

[Chippy_boy]

You reckon a reasoned conclusion could be that leaving on any terms at all including WTO is preferable than remaining with a moderate Labour government?

A bit academic this, isn't it? Where is such a Labour government? Only on Friday they were talking about more nationalisations. FFS.

Show us a moderate Labour government and give people a decision to make. As it stands, the prospect of Corbyn as PM and John McDonnell as chancellor, makes most peoples' decision quite straightforward.

 

[west didsblue]

Unlike you and your Labour thinking? How incredibly ironic.

On my side of the argument I have the evidence of the success of captilism, the world over, across hundreds of countries and hundreds of regimes, for the past 200 years.

And on your side, you have Albania, possibly.

And I am brainwashed? Really???

What makes you think I’m a Labour supporter?

 

[west didsblue]

I dont care if its 20 years so long as remain campaigners dont get their way.

Thanks for confirming what it’s all about.

 

[Tb1981]

Marr get's 2 million viewers probably mainly already with unwavering political opinion.

The clips edited and repeated from marr will determine if it has made any impact.

Same for raab, and blackford interviews.

Think we who are politically minded love these shows to cticise those opposit eto us when interviewed, but doubt they really make much of a diference on the electorate

Agreed

I don’t mean that Jezza’s performance on Marr means that Labour is fucked. His performance on Marr just confirms that Labour have chosen a useless fucker to lead them and this will cost the election.

Half the shadow cabinet are worse than him
Abbot McDonnell and thornbury

 

[blueinsa]

You reckon a reasoned conclusion could be that leaving on any terms at all including WTO is preferable than remaining with a moderate Labour government?

Moderate?

If we had a moderate Labour party it would be in power with a majority very easily.

We dont have one.

 

[blueinsa]

Thanks for confirming what it’s all about.

Leaving the EU as per the result of the referendum.

No problems whatsoever as a reminder of what democracy is now and then is needed.

 

[west didsblue]

A bit academic this, isn't it? Where is such a Labour government? Only on Friday they were talking about more nationalisations. FFS.

Show us a moderate Labour government and give people a decision to make. As it stands, the prospect of Corbyn as PM and John McDonnell as chancellor, makes most peoples' decision quite straightforward.

Moderate?

If we had a moderate Labour party it would be in power with a majority very easily.

We dont have one.

My comment was referring to the point about a theoretical Miliband government that was being discussed, not a Corbyn one.

 

[mcfc1632]

Nailed it. Loads will be switching to labour now.

Proper made me chuckle

Very dry

 

[Tb1981]

Moderate?

If we had a moderate Labour party it would be in power with a majority very easily.

We dont have one.

Agreed
Labour have been screwed since the unions put Ed Miliband in
Since then they appeal to their members which is great but they are never ever winning a Election until they change
Despite boris Johnson being the alternative, which says a lot

 

[west didsblue]

Leaving the EU as per the result of the referendum.

No problems whatsoever as a reminder of what democracy is now and then is needed.

You said this.

I dont care if its 20 years so long as remain campaigners dont get their way.

Looks to me like it’s about getting one over on people you don’t agree with irrespective of anything else as far as you’re concerned.

 

[blueinsa]

Agreed
Labour have been screwed since the unions put Ed Miliband in
Since then they appeal to their members which is great but they are never ever winning a Election until they change
Despite boris Johnson being the alternative, which says a lot

I've had several conversations on here with the more prominent left wing members of the party who will admit it isnt left enough for them.

I have voted Labour all my life except for the last EUparl elections when i voted for the brexit party.

I'm told if I dont like the party then fuck off essentially as it isn't going to change and it isn't for me. That's fair enough and fuck off I will but i then see the same members/posters bemoaning the fact i wont vote Labour in the GE and they fail to see that their attitudes towards many millions of us that would normally vote Labour is turning many off and away.

They just do not get it.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

And the Tories are rooted in the Thatcherism of the 80's. Boris might sound like Harold Macmillan but he's a Thatcherite neoliberal halfwit educated beyond his mental capacity. That obvious limitation normally doesn't matter in his class, the likes of Johnson are usually pushed in to some cushy sinecure, or the army, but sadly the likes of you will ensure that the fat fool might well bumble back in to Downing Street and fuck us all over for a generation or two.

Corbyn does not even reach the dizzy heights of halfwittery, he's a failed A level student perpetual protester that's never had a job
in his life. You're obsession with class is also a dredged up grievance from the 19th century.
Anyway, I wouldn't put your wealth on Corbyn's charm sweeping him into number 10.

 

[Tb1981]

I've had several conversations on here with the more prominent left wing members of the party who will admit it isnt left enough for them.

I have voted Labour all my life except for the last EUparl elections when i voted for the brexit party.

I'm told if I dont like the party then fuck off essentially as it isn't going to change and it isn't for me. That's fair enough and fuck off I will but i then see the same members/posters bemoaning the fact i wont vote Labour in the GE and they fail to see that their attitudes towards many millions of us that would normally vote Labour is turning many off and away.

They just do not get it.

Sounds very similar to me
I would be a typical centre ground labour voter who is fed up of the current and previous leadership
My big mistake was voting labour in last general election
No idea where to go on this next one

 

[blueinsa]

You said this.

Looks to me like it’s about getting one over on people you don’t agree with irrespective of anything else as far as you’re concerned.

Its about leaving as per the result.

I care not a fig if the day after a referendum is called to rejoin and you win it as i will then defend that winning choice to the hilt and say we have to rejoin.

That's the difference between me and you.

Yes i had an opinion and voted to leave but had remain won i would have immediately said we had to remain and any other course of action by parliament would have met with the same insistence from me as you have seen for 3 years to remain in.

You can not ignore a democratic vote because you didn't like the result, ever!

So yes, leave, even if it takes 20 years and so that remain campaigners dont get their way and be seen to win which funnily enough is all they care about as well except for them to win, it will mean stealing a democratic vote away from those that won it.

My answer to that is fuck that and fuck them!

 

[Ancient Citizen]

All the opposition are succeeding at the moment - as I say the Tories do not give the impression they control the agenda which is poor campaign management - however you could say thats been the situation since Mayday called her snap election - they have been out of control ever since that result.

What?
If the party miles ahead in the polls is out of control, Labour are crashing.
'Succeeding,' Lol.

 

[west didsblue]

Its about leaving as per the result.

I care not a fig if the day after a referendum is called to rejoin and you win it as i will then defend that winning choice to the hilt and say we have to rejoin.

That's the difference between me and you.

Yes i had an opinion and voted to leave but had remain won i would have immediately said we had to remain and any other course of action by parliament would have met with the same insistence from me as you have seen for 3 years to remain in.

You can not ignore a democratic vote because you didn't like the result, ever!

So yes, leave, even if it takes 20 years and so that remain campaigners dont get their way and be seen to win which funnily enough is all they care about as well except for them to win, it will mean stealing a democratic vote away from those that won it.

My answer to that is fuck that and fuck them!

Would you be happy with an EEA/EFTA BRINO Brexit?

 

[bluethrunthru]

What?
If the party miles ahead in the polls is out of control, Labour are crashing.
'Succeeding,' Lol.

Yes - you are aware of the failed WA from Mayday post 2017 - the failure to get any meaningful legislation passed whilst they argued over Brexit - the rise of the ERG and them stabbing the PM in the back - Johnsons WA resulting in the DUP abandoning them and then Johnson further increasing his minority by kicking MP's out - his inability to govern at all and having to grovel to get a GE through Parliament?

Or are those just some of the signs of a party under tight control in your view?

 

[inbetween]

Sounds very similar to me
I would be a typical centre ground labour voter who is fed up of the current and previous leadership
My big mistake was voting labour in last general election
No idea where to go on this next one

Unfortunately your only choice is Tory in order to attempt to get rid of Corbyn. I fear though this might just get rid of Corbyn and open the door to a lunatic like Mcdonnell.

The Labour Party is not about the leader anymore, it has been overtaken by a rabid and totally intolerant minority membership who have molded Labour to their narrow vision.

The main thing that hard left militants fear though is centrism which is why they have purged all traces of it from Labour under the Blairite smeared banner.

Labour is no longer the party of choice for the vast majority who are cracking on and doing alright. The Tories wouldn't be and shouldn't be my choice either but I have nowhere else to go.