General Election - December 12th, 2019

[urban genie]

Third Way politics isn’t neoliberalism, just as Ed Miliband isn’t a Communist.

I know you hate Blair and centrist/centre right economic policy but we had it miles better then than now.

I blame social media for the extremes we now have.

Ge thread so not gonna counter argue a derailing subject, was just poiinting out that the late 80s/90/00s of same minded politics that spread globally has led to this where people feeling dissasociated and dissenfranchised after the crash have moved to the more partisan wings rather than centre.

The cranks now have something to guide them and a wider platform to be cunts anyone of their own political side deviating will be called a traitor, fucking abhorant behaviour and any **** sending death threats need locking up, but I feel it will take a long while for any return to any kind of centre politics we have seen the last 30 years

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

When the rich are getting increasingly more wealthy whilst we have people sleeping in doorways in manchester it matters to me. I don't mind some having more than others, that is how it's always going to be, but the divergence between rich and poor has become too great in my opinion. This is not about an obsession 'with other people', it's about fairness. This is one of the wealthiest countries in the world, I would just like to see that wealth spread out more, not just concentrated in the hands of a few. As I said in my original post on this subject, we've had a few decades of wealth stacking in favour of the wealthy, I think it's time for that trend to be reversed for a bit for what I consider to be the good of society.

The system needs to adapt, or there’s going to be significant social unrest at some point. Needs some form of international governance - fat fucking chance. .

 

[Ban-jani]

Ge thread so not gonna counter argue a derailing subject, was just poiinting out that the late 80s/90/00s of same minded politics that spread globally has led to this where people feeling dissasociated and dissenfranchised after the crash have moved to the more partisan wings rather than centre.

The cranks now have something to guide them and a wider platform to be cunts anyone of their own political side deviating will be called a traitor, fucking abhorant behaviour and any **** sending death threats need locking up, but I feel it will take a long while for any return to any kind of centre politics we have seen the last 30 years

I agree that moderate politics and globalisation has contributed, I just don’t think Blairism is neoliberalism and I think social media is mostly to blame for 2019 political cuntary.

 

[urban genie]

I agree that moderate politics and globalisation has contributed, I just don’t think Blairism is neoliberalism and I think social media is mostly to blame for 2019 political cuntary.

Trust me there was plenty of political cuntery before social media, I do belive chambelain once told lloyd-george to stay away from birmingham if he wanted to stay alive.
And some of the politocal meeting in the 80s were highly charged.

Of course twitter in partucular has given the lunatics a place to speak and gain support and I do believe we are probabaly worse off societally with it just as much as instagram has bred a generation of vacuous millionaires made famous for flashing their arse or vlogging their life stories.

 

[Vic]

Another one having a conversation with himself. Carry on and invent some other points to argue with. I'm sure you can amuse yourself for hours. Where did I mention hardship for such people? Nowhere. Another thing you made up.

All I've said is I think 47% is enough. That's my view and I'm entitled to it. Every other post from you ranging from just plain wrong, to misquotes to diversionary shit is just that, shit. A complete waste of time. I think 47% is enough, that's my view. End of.

I await your next misquote, invention or diversionary bollocks with no interest whatsoever.

I really really do not think that if I were on £2m a year I'd be complaining about only keeping half of it. That was your contention.

If it did give me a "different perspective" then current me would be ashamed of future me.

Rubbish. It's perfectly acceptable to have a different opinion on what is a fair distribution of wealth and what's fair and what is not about how much you wish to take off people to give to others. Maybe when you're handing over 47% of everything you earn and are being told its not enough and you need to give more, you might find yourself having a different perspective.

 

[Bluemanc100]

It’s a toxic political environment in this country at the moment, and I suspect it will only get worse over the coming weeks. Not surprised so many MPs are walking away.

Nobody can condone the abusive comments on social media and I’d never condone them BUT you can understand the vitriol (within reason) because of general MP ineptness

 

[Ric]

Nobody can condone the abusive comments on social media and I’d never condone them BUT you can understand the vitriol (within reason) because of general MP ineptness

Sounds a bit like you are condoning it to me.

 

[Bluemanc100]

Absolutely correct but I would say on here is nowhere near as bad as Twitter or Facebook, and I’ve deleted both of my accounts from those poisonous platforms.

You’re right about the road rage point, it’s a good analogy and I’ve said recently things would be much more diplomatic face to face, even if you’re like me and very confident when talking (gob shite).

Being behind a screen and not in person does tend to allow for more rudeness and confrontation to points.

I like Twitter because people speak their minds... yes you need to filter out the idiots and rise above some of the comments but there is a wealth of information on there if you are patient enough to look for it.

This forum has been an education also (politically) and I am better informed because of it.

I’ve never bothered with Facebook... I don’t have the time for it

 

[Bluemanc100]

Sounds a bit like you are condoning it to me.

Do you mean condoning the comments? You really can’t when they involve threats of violence etc. but I get why people get angry...

 

[Chippy_boy]

The system needs to adapt, or there’s going to be significant social unrest at some point. Needs some form of international governance - fat fucking chance. .

I think there will be ultimately - as we see ever further use of AI and of robots, the value of human effort will be steadily diminished with a corresponding concentration of increasing wealth in a smaller and smaller group of people. Ultimately it will snap. But I think this is many decades away.

Clive Lewis was on just now decrying the existence of any billionaires at all. Whilst I get his point about the inequality and undesirability of seeing people sleeping rough whilst a few have a billion, he hasn't really thought it through. Billionaires don't become billionaires overnight. First they have millions and then tens of millions. And if you start taxing them too much, they bugger off. Or maybe they just stop growing their business and creating new jobs because they can't be arsed because the rewards for doing so will be taken away. So the idea we can simply take millions more off these people is flawed.

Until there is global coordination about this, any unilateral efforts on our part would be counter productive. They might make the left feel a bit better that they had "punished" the rich. But that is all