General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%
  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%
  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%
  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%

  • Total voters
    518
I remember when I started work most people did a 40 hour week, by the time I went self employed in 1999 I was down to 36 a 4 1/2 day week so a 32 hour week isn't a huge jump.
The 2 electronic factories in our town finish at 1.00 on Fridays.

But most people who finish at lunch on Friday start early other days and put the standard hours in
Next it will be I drop the kids off so I can’t start till 9 but I still expect my Friday off
It’s a bullshit policy that will neither work nor be implemented

What about when my free broadband is down but it’s friday so One can sort it
No issue with flexible businesses but to roll out policies with no thought is desperate
 
There's an inexorable logic to this and a lesson for Labour. The welfare state was always based on trust, you pay in and draw down in need.

If you don't pay in then what "right" does one have to draw down?

Its called compassion for your fellow human being - but seeing what the Tories have done for those in need in the UK I shouldn't be surprised by their outbursts - thing with it is it is really aimed at those who would already be anti-immigrant anyway so I don't see it benefitting them much at all. They are the Nasty Party v2.0 and are now proud to flaunt it.
 
They also told them they want free dental, a 4 day week and to remain in the EU.

Little did he know he was knocking on Jezza's front door.

Or like people I know basically who said you lost my vote as you ignored it last time
They ignore that though and only recount what they like to hear
They are close to being complacent
 
But most people who finish at lunch on Friday start early other days and put the standard hours in
Next it will be I drop the kids off so I can’t start till 9 but I still expect my Friday off
It’s a bullshit policy that will neither work nor be implemented

What about when my free broadband is down but it’s friday so One can sort it
No issue with flexible businesses but to roll out policies with no thought is desperate

Not everyone will have the same day off
 
There's an inexorable logic to this and a lesson for Labour. The welfare state was always based on trust, you pay in and draw down in need.

If you don't pay in then what "right" does one have to draw down?

It’s the current rule that you can’t claim benefits until you have secured employment as it is in virtually all countries. I assume this does not include healthcare or education ie a migrant in employment cannot have access to a doctor or the healthcare system or schooling either for himself or his family. You will not attract people to this country by saying we will not care for or educate your children.
 
Not everyone will have the same day off

There lies the detail.

For flexi working see the fact that the actual working week has to be extended to cover the weekend.

Ive done lots of shift patterns, 4 on/4 off, 4 on/3 off etc but they all meant the operation was a 7 day a week job so you are saying to folk you can have maybe an extra day off with the family but it means you also have to work weekends now and then.

An extra day off with the family if it's Tuesday is no good when the kids are at school and the wife is at work.
 
Not everyone will have the same day off

Its not about having a day off its about working an average of 32hrs per week over a given period - say a tax year for example. It can actually allow businesses to manage their workforces better so in say times of surge people could be working 50hrs per week but when its quiet then just a few hours per week. If the work gets done at no extra cost everyone is happy. Ask anyone who works at home what hours they do and when and you will find very diverse hours are worked.
 
Very much this.

Our welfare system and it is welfare, not benefits as that term irks me is there for us all and at our greatest time of need and its when you can say that I've paid in and now need some help.

Its proudly ours, not anyone else's and if that makes me a racist or whatever other name they want to throw about then so be it.

If someone comes here from Germany, works for 18 months then is made redundant surely you wouldn’t leave them with nothing whilst they looked for further work? How would they get their kids to school, pay the rent etc?

In terms of contracts, there is a social contract which appears broken. This contract was an all in it together contract. Stable employment, fair days pay for fair days work and decent and stable living conditions as well as education for our children and safe streets - that’s what is broken, not a few people claiming a few quid from the ‘benefits’ system
 
Its not about having a day off its about working an average of 32hrs per week over a given period - say a tax year for example. It can actually allow businesses to manage their workforces better so in say times of surge people could be working 50hrs per week but when its quiet then just a few hours per week. If the work gets done at no extra cost everyone is happy. Ask anyone who works at home what hours they do and when and you will find very diverse hours are worked.

Sounds very zero hours like to me does that..........
 
Its not about having a day off its about working an average of 32hrs per week over a given period - say a tax year for example. It can actually allow businesses to manage their workforces better so in say times of surge people could be working 50hrs per week but when its quiet then just a few hours per week. If the work gets done at no extra cost everyone is happy. Ask anyone who works at home what hours they do and when and you will find very diverse hours are worked.
How does a nurse fireman teacher scaffolder tarmacer binman work at home?
 
If someone comes here from Germany, works for 18 months then is made redundant surely you wouldn’t leave them with nothing whilst they looked for further work? How would they get their kids to school, pay the rent etc?

In terms of contracts, there is a social contract which appears broken. This contract was an all in it together contract. Stable employment, fair days pay for fair days work and decent and stable living conditions as well as education for our children and safe streets - that’s what is broken, not a few people claiming a few quid from the ‘benefits’ system

What?

We have record employment. An ever increasing minimum/living wage. Its a legal requirement to send your kids to school and the state does that, it educates for free. What is broken in that respect?

If as in your example the person has worked and paid in for 18 months then ive personally no issue in them using the welfare system in the same way a new worker leaving school and being made redundant after 18 months would.
 
The wife thinks so.

Labour loses to a Tory majority and Corbyn goes.

Who is elected leader?

Do you go back to the centre, a formula that led to the most successful labour governments under Blair with stonking majorities or do you go left again, this time even more so?

Who do the likes of McCluskey crown next?
Fair post.
A reminder of the person who shares with Cameron ultimately responsibility for the shit we’re in. Without McCluskey influencing the union vote for Ed Miliband, his brother would have won the leadership contest in 2010 and most likely defeated Cameron in 2015 with a moderate centre left Labour government that wouldn’t have gone anywhere near Brexit, and the consequent polarisation and likely break up of the country would just be a dystopian fiction writer’s idea for a book that everyone would think was too far fetched.
 
Fair post.
A reminder of the person who shares with Cameron ultimately responsibility for the shit we’re in. Without McCluskey influencing the union vote for Ed Miliband, his brother would have won the leadership contest in 2010 and most likely defeated Cameron in 2015 with a moderate centre left Labour government that wouldn’t have gone anywhere near Brexit, and the consequent polarisation and likely break up of the country would just be a dystopian fiction writer’s idea for a book that everyone would think was too far fetched.
Agree entirely.
 
Fair post.
A reminder of the person who shares with Cameron ultimately responsibility for the shit we’re in. Without McCluskey influencing the union vote for Ed Miliband, his brother would have won the leadership contest in 2010 and most likely defeated Cameron in 2015 with a moderate centre left Labour government that wouldn’t have gone anywhere near Brexit, and the consequent polarisation and likely break up of the country would just be a dystopian fiction writer’s idea for a book that everyone would think was too far fetched.

The slogan is the wrong way around.

Its for the few, not the many and that is the reality.
 
But most people who finish at lunch on Friday start early other days and put the standard hours in
Next it will be I drop the kids off so I can’t start till 9 but I still expect my Friday off
It’s a bullshit policy that will neither work nor be implemented

What about when my free broadband is down but it’s friday so One can sort it
No issue with flexible businesses but to roll out policies with no thought is desperate

I am sure it will be within a company’s capability to provide broadband servicing cover across all days if necessary. The clue is flexible working hours. If everyone is obliged to take Friday afternoon off it’s hardly very flexible is it?
 

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