General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Ancient Citizen]

He might have been down there at 6.30?

You have it bad, really bad if this is news to you or it rattles you lol.

Brilliant detective work though!

That time shit must be the daftest response yet on here, there's desperate and then there's fucking frantic screaming desperation,
but this takes the proverbial.

 

[Blue Hefner]

They can fob them off with a 4 day week and free broadband
Job done

Broadband is essential for living and working these days, those that don’t have it can and probably will be left behind

Kids may struggle to do homework. People will be unable to bid for social housing online, where most of it is done these days. Business are very unlikely to open in areas with poor connectivity etc

As for a 4 day week, studies and businesses show they can be more productive working 4 rather than 5 days. It’s already up and running in the NHS where lots of staff condense their 40 hours into 4 days rather than 5

So, what policies do you think would actually appeals and be workable to the constituency you spoke of earlier?

 

[Blue Hefner]

Possibly but I see labour areas with high leave votes deserting in droves
I don’t think the polls are reflecting this
I think they might get 10-20 seats which would hurt labour

I don’t think the BP will get 1 seat. The dead giveaway is that the leader isn’t standing. If there was a seat they genuinely thought they could win, he’d be in there like a shot

 

[blueparrot]

Possibly but I see labour areas with high leave votes deserting in droves
I don’t think the polls are reflecting this
I think they might get 10-20 seats which would hurt labour

They won't get any seats IMO at the most 2 or 3, they may take some Labour votes but if they take some tory votes too then Labour will hang on to most seats, or in some places it will let Liberals in. As for Scotland I expect SNP to take at least 10 tory seats. I did think the tories would hang on to the 2 border seats but talking to people on the east side I'm not so sure the majority was only about 400 and I'm coming across people that are switching. Can't speak for the Dumfries side.

 

[west didsblue]

I don’t think the BP will get 1 seat. The dead giveaway is that the leader isn’t standing. If there was a seat they genuinely thought they could win, he’d be in there like a shot

Yep. BP is just a shit UKIP, and UKIP are already shit.
There is clearly an unannounced Tory/BP pact. Hopefully Labour and the Lib Dems will see sense and do the same.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

There's a Labour MP who has just said on Breakfast tv that when she knocks on doors she is sick of hearing people complain of being charged £50 a month for 1MB broadband. Now, obviously I can't prove it, but I reckon THAT is a lie, or not the whole truth.

Another load of crap, or if it's not, can anyone tell us whereabouts this is, a door to door salesman would
be able to retire in a fortnight.

 

[blueinsa]

Broadband is essential for living and working these days, those that don’t have it can and probably will be left behind

Kids may struggle to do homework. People will be unable to bid for social housing online, where most of it is done these days. Business are very unlikely to open in areas with poor connectivity etc

As for a 4 day week, studies and businesses show they can be more productive working 4 rather than 5 days. It’s already up and running in the NHS where lots of staff condense their 40 hours into 4 days rather than 5

So, what policies do you think would actually appeals and be workable to the constituency you spoke of earlier?

I've no issue in a 4 day week per se as i worked 4 on 4 off for years but it has to fit the business and cant be just shoehorned in.

It needs reminding that the plan isn't just for a 4 day week, its for a 32 hour week with no loss of pay.

It isn't going too happen.

 

[blueinsa]

There's a Labour MP who has just said on Breakfast tv that when she knocks on doors she is sick of hearing people complain of being charged £50 a month for 1MB broadband. Now, obviously I can't prove it, but I reckon THAT is a lie, or not the whole truth.

They also told them they want free dental, a 4 day week and to remain in the EU.

Little did he know he was knocking on Jezza's front door.

 

[The perfect fumble]

The day after a Tommy Robinson endorsement of the Tories he gets his quid pro quo - not that its about immigration of course

There's an inexorable logic to this and a lesson for Labour. The welfare state was always based on trust, you pay in and draw down in need.

If you don't pay in then what "right" does one have to draw down?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

It was in mind to say it was the Oxshott branch of the Young Conservatives but I assumed that everyone would know that

Tell us again at twenty five past two.

 

[blueparrot]

I've no issue in a 4 day week per se as i worked 4 on 4 off for years but it has to fit the business and cant be just shoehorned in.

It needs reminding that the plan isn't just for a 4 day week, its for a 32 hour week with no loss of pay.

It isn't going too happen.

I remember when I started work most people did a 40 hour week, by the time I went self employed in 1999 I was down to 36 a 4 1/2 day week so a 32 hour week isn't a huge jump.
The 2 electronic factories in our town finish at 1.00 on Fridays.

 

[Blue Hefner]

I've no issue in a 4 day week per se as i worked 4 on 4 off for years but it has to fit the business and cant be just shoehorned in.

It needs reminding that the plan isn't just for a 4 day week, its for a 32 hour week with no loss of pay.

It isn't going too happen.

Fair point. I think most would jump at the chance if condensing hours and having an extra day off but a government cannot impose taking 8 hours off a business, on top of taking shares which was muted at the last election(may still be)

If I paid someone £x per week for 40 hours, I’m expecting them to do 40 hours worth of work. If they can do it in 32 hours then great but this simply isn’t possible in a lot of industries, truck driving for example. So it’s a little for fetched but looking into ways of giving people more time with family must be explored

 

[George Hannah]

I think they have to be given some slack mate and an opportunity to develop.
I see two individuals that are comfortable in front of the camera and good speakers. Could they lead a Labour party back towards a form of politics that can gain a majority again is the question? Cooper is never getting the gig imo with momentum or the unions.

and therein lies the insuperable problem with the other two - whatever their merits. They are just McCluskey's prescribed choice as successors.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

There's an inexorable logic to this and a lesson for Labour. The welfare state was always based on trust, you pay in and draw down in need.

If you don't pay in then what "right" does one have to draw down?

Absolutely correct. I'm sure someone will be along to accuse you of something and shut that line of thought / discussion down shortly.

 

[blueinsa]

and therein lies the insuperable problem with the other two - whatever their merits. They are just McCluskey's prescribed choice as successors.

Then they will be forever say on the opposition benches.

At some point it will dawn on enough of them that they have to do things differently again.

 

[blueinsa]

There's an inexorable logic to this and a lesson for Labour. The welfare state was always based on trust, you pay in and draw down in need.

If you don't pay in then what "right" does one have to draw down?

Very much this.

Our welfare system and it is welfare, not benefits as that term irks me is there for us all and at our greatest time of need and its when you can say that I've paid in and now need some help.

Its proudly ours, not anyone else's and if that makes me a racist or whatever other name they want to throw about then so be it.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Agree.

This Labour isn't anywhere near left enough for its membership and when Corbyn is gone which a defeat will see to they really will go left imo.

If they lose this one, and they go even further to the left, then that's it for them, they'll get the same number of
voters the communist party here used to get. It really will be goodnight Vienna, as they say.

 

[BobKowalski]

For balance.

labour plans for free tier one dental is a brilliant idea.

So much of your general health can be affected by poor dental health and many, myself included in the past have said i couldn't afford to go and suffered because of it.

Excellent idea imo.

Why give free service to those that can afford it and are already paying for it? Will this fall foul of EU anti competition rules? How can...ah sorry thought we were still talking about Labour’s free broadband access proposal.

Yes the dental proposal is an excellent idea.

 

[George Hannah]

Why give free service to those that can afford it and are already paying for it? Will this fall foul of EU anti competition rules? How can...ah sorry thought we were still talking about Labour’s free broadband access proposal.
Yes the dental proposal is an excellent idea.

free teeth, free chips, free beer .... the alienation of the proletariat provides so many opportunities for their rescue

 

[blueinsa]

Why give free service to those that can afford it and are already paying for it? Will this fall foul of EU anti competition rules? How can...ah sorry thought we were still talking about Labour’s free broadband access proposal.

Yes the dental proposal is an excellent idea.

I've little doubt it will be included within our NHS entitlements so no, it wont fall foul of EU law but as i pointed out yesterday, EU law does apply to those looking to provide to the NHS and the NHS has to comply when awarding contracts.

Excellent policy idea though so long as we all realise it needs to be paid for by us all, not just facebook or a Billionaire.