General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%
  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%
  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%
  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%

  • Total voters
    518
Yeah, I was being flippant, but there are many ways around it. It's the blithe assumption from this fairy tale wish
list that Labour are proposing, that nothing will impact on their assessments, 'If we increase tax by X,we're
GUARANTEED to rake in Y. No qualification, no impact assessment, just that it will. Then we have Jezza wishing there were
no billionaires, you know, the ones who employ thousands, just take everything they've got, and get rid,
Absolutely.

I've said many times previously, that John McDonnell has no fucking clue what "fully costed" means. It does not mean a table of numbers that happen to add up. They have to be realistic figures, not pie in the sky aspirational bollocks.
 
Numbers really aren't your strong point are they? What is I wonder.

"Tax Justice & PCS" - well they would know wouldn't they. Far better than the Inland Revenue, who actually deal with this stuff. And let's assume their £120bn figure is correct, just how much of that do you think is collectable? All of it? Not a chance.

But let's throw you your £120bn, just for giggles. And your inheritance tax changes - let's stop parents giving their kids a leg up on the housing ladder, great idea. Let's throw you that as well, and the nobbling the City by taking £5bn off them as well. And capital gains. We don't want people investing now, do we.

Still all of that leaves one dirty great big fucking hole in Labour's stated plans, let alone the Marxists' aspirations of government-owned EVERYTHING.

No, I am sorry, but current Labour thinking and policies are those of clowns, followed by clowns. You're in great company.

The changes in tax levels take us back to pre 2010 levels. In the period up to 2010 parents were giving their kids a leg up on the housing ladder, the City wasn’t ‘nobbled’ and people were investing. The uncertainty and instability created Brexit will always be a bigger deterrent to investment than tax levels or a one off windfall tax. Given you advocate for a party that is intent on Brexit and refuses to cost its Brexit policy as set out in the political declaration it negotiated then your protestations over some proposed tax increases carry little weight.
 
Yeah, I was being flippant, but there are many ways around it. It's the blithe assumption from this fairy tale wish
list that Labour are proposing, that nothing will impact on their assessments, 'If we increase tax by X,we're
GUARANTEED to rake in Y. No qualification, no impact assessment,
just that it will. Then we have Jezza wishing there were
no billionaires, you know, the ones who employ thousands, just take everything they've got, and get rid,

You mean like Johnson scrapping the scheduled reduction in Corporation tax to raise £6 billion? Hours earlier the Business Sec. was saying we needed to reduce corporation tax to *checks notes* to raise revenues.

So which is it?
 
What a great leader Corbyn is. Taking a position and showing leadership with it, persuading people and bringing him along with him.

Fucking NOT.

Opportunistic chancer who will say and do anything for a vote. He's a wanker and a rumbled one at that. Look at the polls of how the public view the great man. They think he's a twat. His perpetual fence-sitting will be his downfall, thank God.

I love his Wikipedia entry with his background and history. His higher education is so Corbyn....

he studied trade union studies at north London polytechnic but never finished his degree as he fell out with the tutors about the course content after the first year.
 
I love his Wikipedia entry with his background and history. His higher education is so Corbyn....

he studied trade union studies at north London polytechnic but never finished his degree as he fell out with the tutors about the course content after the first year.
We can add that to his list of "achievements" which were being discussed earlier on the forum. Along with such other gems as "Organised Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams's visit to the Commons in 1983.".
 
The changes in tax levels take us back to pre 2010 levels. In the period up to 2010 parents were giving their kids a leg up on the housing ladder, the City wasn’t ‘nobbled’ and people were investing. The uncertainty and instability created Brexit will always be a bigger deterrent to investment than tax levels or a one off windfall tax. Given you advocate for a party that is intent on Brexit and refuses to cost its Brexit policy as set out in the political declaration it negotiated then your protestations over some proposed tax increases carry little weight.
Not really Bob, because we're doing Brexit because we have to. And BTW, Corbyn wants to take inheritance levels back to 1988 levels, not 2010. Surprising he doesn't suggest going the whole hog and back to his beloved 1970's.
 
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You mean like Johnson scrapping the scheduled reduction in Corporation tax to raise £6 billion? Hours earlier the Business Sec. was saying we needed to reduce corporation tax to *checks notes* to raise revenues.

So which is it?
There is a median rate at which the level is optimised, at present it's 19%, with Brexit uncertainty,
there may well be reasons to keep it at the present level.
https://www.ft.com/content/ca3e5bd2-2a7e-11e7-9ec8-168383da43b7

Then again, it may just be a sop to counter the Labour intention of raising it, to assuage the more liberal vote.
All sorts of things are promised, many believe Labour's massive spending spree is undeliverable, I'm sure figures will
be out soon trashing it, and vice versa.
 
There is a median rate at which the level is optimised, at present it's 19%, with Brexit uncertainty,
there may well be reasons to keep it at the present level.
https://www.ft.com/content/ca3e5bd2-2a7e-11e7-9ec8-168383da43b7

Then again, it may just be a sop to counter the Labour intention of raising it, to assuage the more liberal vote.
All sorts of things are promised, many believe Labour's massive spending spree is undeliverable, I'm sure figures will
be out soon trashing it, and vice versa.
Of course it's undeliverable. Blair and Brown's spending plans were undeliverable, and that was (a) much less and (b) from a position of very strong world-wide economic growth. The economic backdrop was nothing like it is at the moment. Debt levels were a fraction of what they are now, and the world was in relative terms, booming. And even then, Labour had to introduce not a couple, but dozens and dozens of tax increases hitting pretty much everybody. And they still ran out of money.

But genius McDonnell - a man sacked from the GLC by Ken Livingstone for being too left wing and for fucking up the GLC's finances - a man who has said openly he wants to smash the capitalist system once and for all - is somehow going to bring about this economic miracle?

Anyone who believes this needs psychiatric help.
 
So, if you're about to get a big pay rise, based on performance, from say, £60,000 to £80,000, tell your boss to
reduce the increase to £79,999, and Hey-Presto! you're below the threshold ;)

You’ll only get the additional tax being introduced on the penny that takes you to £80,000. Technically speaking you’re still better off on £80k than £79,999 but it really won’t make any difference worth noticing.
 
Not really Bob, because we're doing Brexit as well, because we have to. And BTW, Corbyn wants to take inheritance levels back to 1988 levels, not 2010. Surprising he doesn't suggest going the whole hog and back to his beloved 1970's.

The type of Brexit that we have is a choice. The Tories have outlined that choice. The Tories have refused to do an economic assessment of that choice. It will have a far greater impact than any fiddling around with the tax levels. If you give the party you support a pass on doing any sort of economic analysis on Brexit then protestations of doom over a higher tax rate aren’t going to register.

As for the 1970’s even the Tories are on the pathway to higher spending, more tax and greater state intervention in industry, a pathway that is also partly dictated by Brexit or did you think retooling the economy outside of the Single Market and implementing dual custom procedures in NI was going to come cheap? Or supporting NI and GB businesses that are likely to face tariffs on trade within our own Union?
 

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