General Election - December 12th, 2019

[urban genie]

"In football, the professional game has become divided between the extremes of the very rich and the very poor with clubs in Bury and Bolton facing collapse. A Labour government will examine the state of the game, its governance and regulation, its ownership rules and the support and funding of the clubs that are vital to local communities. We will review the ‘fit and proper person test’ for club owners and directors and ensure that supporters’ trusts have a proper role so that the professional game is properly run for all its fans and all its clubs. A Labour government will legislate for accredited football supporters’ trusts to be able to appoint and remove at least two club directors and purchase shares when clubs change hands. We will regulate safe standing in stadiums and ensure that a proportion of the Premier League’s television rights income is spent on grassroots football facilities."

If we were still under threat of going bust yo-yoing between the leagues we would all welcome this, so even though it looks like something we should not support auch a pledge is bigger than partisan support.

 

[Len Rum]

Taking over the PL & FA too - the Revolution starts!! "In football, the professional game has become divided between the extremes of the very rich and the very poor with clubs in Bury and Bolton facing collapse. A Labour government will examine the state of the game, its governance and regulation, its ownership rules and the support and funding of the clubs that are vital to local communities. We will review the ‘fit and proper person test’ for club owners and directors and ensure that supporters’ trusts have a proper role so that the professional game is properly run for all its fans and all its clubs. A Labour government will legislate for accredited football supporters’ trusts to be able to appoint and remove at least two club directors and purchase shares when clubs change hands. We will regulate safe standing in stadiums and ensure that a proportion of the Premier League’s television rights income is spent on grassroots football facilities."

WTF?
Tories in!

 

[urban genie]

He'd be grilled torquemada by Krishnan Guru-Murthy if he showed up

Won't talk to those who won't go easy on him.

 

[George Hannah]

Ah

Media
A Labour government will ensure a healthy future for all our public service broadcasters, including BBC Alba and S4C. We will protect free TV licences for over-75s.

A free and fair press is vital to protecting democracy and holding the powerful to account.

We will address misconduct and the unresolved failures of corporate governance raised by the second stage of the abandoned Leveson Inquiry. We will take steps to ensure that Ofcom is better able to safeguard a healthy plurality of media ownership and to put in place clearer rules on who is fit and proper to own or run TV and radio stations. We will take action to address the monopolistic hold the tech giants have on advertising revenues and will support vital local newspapers and media outlets.

We will consult media-sector workers and trade unions to establish an inquiry into the ‘fake news’ undermining trust in media, democracy and public debate, and on a legal right of public interest defence for journalists..

Don't see how you read that will mean state controlled media, more like a new press regulatory body that will actually deal with the shite and bullshot our press constantly put out.
It is a new inquiry as Labour has always said leverson never went far enough, not some set body controling all media.

Surely we want an honest press?

 

[urban genie]

Is that available in WH Smiths?

 

[urban genie]

Johnson to make a similar vid but will probably look more like this

 

[Chippy_boy]

Something which has not been mentioned lately I think is the "protest vote" element. It is widely accepted (not by the Marxists on here I imagine) that in 2017, many people voted Corbyn by way of a protest. They didn't really expect him to win, but wanted to give the Tories a bloody nose because they were pissed off - rather understandably - with 7 years of stagnated wages and public service cuts. A Corbyn vote was a good signal of your discontent, without any real prospect of the imbecile becoming Prime Minister.

I'm wondering how many voters will feel similarly "safe" this time around? Sure, people are pissed off with the Tories, but at the end of the day, most people have a job and have the prospect of things actually improving under Johnson with the end of austerity and his more expansionary program. Vs the risk of letting an antisemitic Marxist run the country. It's a vote only for the brave. (IMO the brave who are also clinically insane, but that's another story).

 

[BlueAnorak]

IFS initial analysis states Labour's manifesto will hit a lot more than the 5% who Labour say will pay more tax.
https://www.ifs.org.uk/election/201...esto-an-initial-reaction-from-ifs-researchers

 

[George Hannah]

IFS initial analysis states Labour's manifesto will hit a lot more than the 5% who Labour say will pay more tax.
https://www.ifs.org.uk/election/201...esto-an-initial-reaction-from-ifs-researchers

Really useful initial analysis containing this key comment:
"On the tax side the proposals in the Labour manifesto represent an enormous increase in the amounts they want to raise from corporation tax. If their proposals did raise the sums they suggest then we would be raising more in corporation tax, as a fraction of national income, than any other country in the G7, and more than almost anywhere else in the OECD. This would clearly come with substantial risks. The truth is of course that in the end corporation tax is paid by workers, customers or shareholders so would affect many in the population. In the end, it is unlikely that one could raise the sums suggested by Labour from the tax policies they set out. If you want to transform the scale and scope of the state then you need to be clear that the tax increases required to do that will need to be widely shared rather than pretending that everything can be paid for by companies and the rich.”

 

[Ban-jani]

The last election they were a social Democratic Party - now they’ve gone balls out socialist.

This sharp change is going to do what Thatcher’s sharp change did in the 80’s.

We’re going to get fucked if Labour get in.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

And we were worried about brexit and it’s effect on business .....

 

[Len Rum]

We’re going to get fucked if Labour get in.

Will we ok with a Tory brexit?
I needs to know.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Really useful initial analysis containing this key comment:
"On the tax side the proposals in the Labour manifesto represent an enormous increase in the amounts they want to raise from corporation tax. If their proposals did raise the sums they suggest then we would be raising more in corporation tax, as a fraction of national income, than any other country in the G7, and more than almost anywhere else in the OECD. This would clearly come with substantial risks. The truth is of course that in the end corporation tax is paid by workers, customers or shareholders so would affect many in the population. In the end, it is unlikely that one could raise the sums suggested by Labour from the tax policies they set out. If you want to transform the scale and scope of the state then you need to be clear that the tax increases required to do that will need to be widely shared rather than pretending that everything can be paid for by companies and the rich.”

#LabourLies

 

[Chippy_boy]

Will we ok with a Tory brexit?
I needs to know.

Twatty's lost the power of coherent speech. Love it :-)

 

[Ban-jani]

Will we ok with a Tory brexit?
I needs to know.

Less so than these proposals.

£79bn over 15 years is the cost of the WA Johnson has agreed.

Labour are going to spend £175bn including taking £85bn more off business.

It’s economic suicide and I like my job thanks.

 

[Len Rum]

And we were worried about brexit and it’s effect on business .....

You were?
Never heard you admit that before?
Same with @blueinsa
Brexiter's line now is that Jezza's economic plans will be much WORSE than Brexit.
Not much of a ringing endorsement for Brexit.
Whatever happened to the sunlit uplands?

 

[George Hannah]

Will we ok with a Tory brexit?
I needs to know.

No. Run for the hills Len.

 

[Summerbuzz]

Fuck you, you, and you.... fuck all of you and all of your thoughts. Fuck everyone else as well. You're all making the same mistakes and the only thing you've got to support yourself is the other guys mistake. I'm voting Green, because they are the only policies that will make any sense at all in 20 years time, wether you believe in Global Warming or not, this way of life won't last forever... we just waste, waste, waste... shite products, shite services, shite films, shite news, shite conversation... we can do better, and that's the only hope for any real improvement in people's lives. This came to me out of the blue, in a dream-like state 2am three days ago, I heard a voice, (and although it was probably my neighbour's TV) it seriously makes more sense than ANYTHING I've read from you lot, or anyone else recently.

 

[Len Rum]

Less so than these proposals.

£79bn over 15 years is the cost of the WA Johnson has agreed.

Labour are going to spend £175bn including taking £85bn more off business.

It’s economic suicide and I like my job thanks.

You'd get 0/10 if that was an answer in a GCSE economics exam.
I haven't got a fcukin clue what you're talking about.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

You were?
Never heard you admit that before?
Same with @blueinsa
Brexiter's line now is that Jezza's economic plans will be much WORSE than Brexit.
Not much of a ringing endorsement for Brexit.
Whatever happened to the sunlit uplands?

questor estimating that the fall in the value of stocks in the uk will be 375billion with Jezza master plan.

no brexit prediction was that bad.