Pep's contract situation | 2 year extension confirmed! (pg1817)

mexico1970 said:
We won the title before Pep and we'll win it again after Pep, that's the long and the short of it.
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Yeah, but I don't think there is any other manager who would've won the title last season winning 14 in a row, following a 100 point season. We've seen the drop-off under the previous 2 title winning managers in the seasons following the title win.
 
richards30 said:
i personally think pep has been promised another overhaul to the squad and i don`t think he will leave until we win the champions league.
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Although he has form for seeing out his contract, I see this gig as much different to those at Barcelona and Bayern. Both those teams were established within Europe and within their own leagues, it just cannot be envisaged that either of them would finish outside of CL qualification places any time soon whereas in the PL there's a different dynamic. Without Pep, those aforementioned clubs still could attract new players without much trouble but until City reach that point (absolute proof that we can win the CL) then we are still in a highly competitive market. Having a manager in his final year of a contract (at the moment) could seriously affect our chances of attracting the players we need next summer should the reason a player wanting to join is partly based on that manager being there in the first place. When other teams seemingly offer more money, City are in a tricky position.

I think he will either leave at the end of this season or announce an extension soon, although I wouldn't put it past him to become Director of Football if he sees the project is unfinished. I suppose that would depend on who his replacement would be.
 
If Pep does five years with us, that will be beyond my expectations when he arrived. I honestly thought we might, at best, get one extra year from him on top of his initially contracted three. And I suspect that, by the time he packs it all in for good and settles for a life of luxury playing golf, five years would end up being longer than he'll have stayed in any other role in his career. But even if he only lasts to the summer of 2020, it'll have been a privilege to have had him here for as long as he had the top job at Barca and longer than he was at Bayern.

Of course I want him to stay beyond the end of his current contract. Ultimately, unless considerations in his personal life dictate otherwise, his departure will be when he feels he's gone as far as he can with the players at his disposal and he doesn't have the appetite to oversee a rebuild. In recent weeks, I thought there might be signs of him feeling that already but his more bullish approach lately seems to suggest that it isn't the case. It's become clear this season that the squad could do with a more serious overhaul than at any time since Pep's second summer and, as @richards30 says above, that surely creates a suspicion that he's been promised the club will go all out in the next two transfer windows

Still, that feeling I spoke about above that his time's up could come pretty quickly and I don't think he'd be keen to be tied down to a long contract beyond the expiry of this one. My answer would be to switch, from the summer of 2020, to a rolling one-year deal whereby he has a simple way out when he feels he's had enough. IMO, there's a sufficient degree of mutual trust between Pep and the City execs to make that a viable way of working.

I suspect we may also see him in the future back in a role at CFG. When he leaves us, he may want to work in another league and I could see him taking a national team to the USA World Cup in 2026, but he'll surely head for his next assignment safe in the knowledge that the CFG structure allows for a range of potential jobs, some pretty hands-on but others less so and perhaps ideal to combine with international management or semi-retirement.
 
petrusha said:
If Pep does five years with us, that will be beyond my expectations when he arrived. I honestly thought we might, at best, get one extra year from him on top of his initially contracted three. And I suspect that, by the time he packs it all in for good and settles for a life of luxury playing golf, five years would end up being longer than he'll have stayed in any other role in his career. But even if he only lasts to the summer of 2020, it'll have been a privilege to have had him here for as long as he had the top job at Barca and longer than he was at Bayern.

Of course I want him to stay beyond the end of his current contract. Ultimately, unless considerations in his personal life dictate otherwise, his departure will be when he feels he's gone as far as he can with the players at his disposal and he doesn't have the appetite to oversee a rebuild. In recent weeks, I thought there might be signs of him feeling that already but his more bullish approach lately seems to suggest that it isn't the case. It's become clear this season that the squad could do with a more serious overhaul than at any time since Pep's second summer and, as @richards30 says above, that surely creates a suspicion that he's been promised the club will go all out in the next two transfer windows

Still, that feeling I spoke about above that his time's up could come pretty quickly and I don't think he'd be keen to be tied down to a long contract beyond the expiry of this one. My answer would be to switch, from the summer of 2020, to a rolling one-year deal whereby he has a simple way out when he feels he's had enough. IMO, there's a sufficient degree of mutual trust between Pep and the City execs to make that a viable way of working.

I suspect we may also see him in the future back in a role at CFG. When he leaves us, he may want to work in another league and I could see him taking a national team to the USA World Cup in 2026, but he'll surely head for his next assignment safe in the knowledge that the CFG structure allows for a range of potential jobs, some pretty hands-on but others less so and perhaps ideal to combine with international management or semi-retirement.
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I'm not sure about a national team, it just seems like a huge gamble because he would be restricted to what's available and his system seems to rely on players playing his way, and some of these players take a while to work it out. In some respects, other than Spain, then England would be a good fit although to be fair I watch very little international stuff these days.
 
TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
I'm not sure about a national team, it just seems like a huge gamble because he would be restricted to what's available and his system seems to rely on players playing his way, and some of these players take a while to work it out. In some respects, other than Spain, then England would be a good fit although to be fair I watch very little international stuff these days.
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I agree with your logic entirely, but was speculating based on the fact that taking a team to the World Cup finals is something he's said he could see himself doing in the future. IF he does it, the 2026 finals would appear to me to be his best bet in terms of timing and he seemed to love his year's sabbatical in New York so might fancy an event hosted primarily in the States.
 
domalino said:
Extrapolating from his....2 other jobs is an exercise in futility as he's said a million times this job is completely different, much less pressured, he's surrounded by friends. He's not got the hometown pressure and constant backstabbing politics and elections of Barcelona, nor the behind the scenes meddling of Bayern Munich.

People said there was no chance he'd sign for us because he went to "historic" clubs. Then he signed for us and they said he'll never stay past 4 seasons because he just doesn't do that, and then he extended to 5 years here.

He left Barcelona because he didn't want to tear down and rebuild the team he'd taken so far and had given so much to him. He might fancy taking on that challenge in this different, easier, environment. Klopp and potentially a resurgent Mourinho might offer him a level of competition he doesn't want to walk away from because he's a born competitor.

I said when he joined that I thought the upper limit was 8 years, the same length of time Cruyff spent at Barcelona. I still think that's the case.

Khaldoon's comment is clearly about working together, not being friends.
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We’ll see pal, if only for those who may jump in front of a bus if he doesn’t!
 
Academica said:
The chairman talks about Pep

He's very committed. We're committed to him. You've seen his interview a couple of days ago. We have a great relationship. We have a great environment here.

"The people around him, the team we have in place today, the relationships I have with them, this is really an environment that's conducive to success for both him and everyone involved in this organisation. So I'm very satisfied with his commitment and our commitment to him and I'm looking forward to the continuity of this for years to come.
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Just emphaisisng this to provide context for this discussion.

In my opinion and clearly the OP and many other City fans, it appears that City are trying to extend Pep's deal, and are hopeful of doing so. That is the only possible interpretation of that statement. Everything else Khaldoon said in that interview was very very measured which gives it added significance.
 
Khaldoon referred to Pep speaking recently and within that interview he mentioned being flattered by Bayern’s supposed interest but he still had unfinished business in Manchester.

Pep also told Lu Martin during lunch in Barcelona earlier this summer when prompted that he would stay “as long as it takes “ and you can quote me on that.
 
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richards30 said:
i don`t think he will leave until we win the champions league.
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I don't think that will be the case at all and why would the club do that? He has until the end of his this contract to win the CL in my opinion. You don't offer people indefinite theoretical contracts - it's why a lot of clubs get themselves into expensive situations with sacking managers.

Also, we've spent near 600 million since he got here - why do we need another 'overhaul'. As I said, there's absolutely no rush to extend his contract and I for one feel like the board would want to see how he gets on this year.
 
blue_hawk said:
Silva, Bravo & Fernandihos contracts runs out. Otamendi, Mendy & Sané futures looks uncertain, and a long term replacement for Aguero is needed. Possibly 7 new players in jan/summer next year. Overhaul.
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I'd be asking serious questions if he needs to buy 7 players. Foden, Garcia and B. Silva can and should be looked at as replacements for D.Silva and Otamendi. We also currently have 3 left backs on our list, again - Mendy might be a crock, but we need to start looking at what we have and building on it, not just throwing wads of cash at the problem. Regardless of what people here think, the club are concerned about the perception we have globally and if we continue to just buy players and not develop - in further enhances the bullshit the media try and spin.

Sane, Aguero and Fernandinho I agree need to be replaced.
 
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Bazzmand Show said:
I'd be asking serious questions if he needs to buy 7 players. Foden, Garcia and B. Silva can and should be looked at as replacements for D.Silva and Otamendi. We also currently have 3 left backs on our list, again - Mendy might be a crock, but we need to start looking at what we have and building on it, not just throwing wads of cash at the problem. Regardless of what people here think, the club are concerned about the perception we have globally and if we continue to just buy players and not develop - in further enhances the bullshit the media try and spin.

Sane, Aguero and Fernandinho I agree need to be replaced.
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Pep tried to look at what we have instead of throwing money at the problem. Mendy injured, Pep coached Delph into a Lb. Delph injured, Pep coached Zinchenko into a LB. Fernandinho injured, Pep coached Gundogan into a lone DM. Kompany leaving, Pep coached Fernandinho into a CB. But in the end, all of them are stop gap solutions. In order to improve over time, we need to address the weakensses in the squad in the transfer market. I agree Foden & Garcia should get bigger roles next season, and more youngsters after that. But in order for these youngsters to shine, they need to have consistent WC teammates around them. If Laporte is injured, Garcia is more likely to perform well alongside Koulibaly than Otamendi. A young LB would have much less pressure on him to perform if the first choice LB is Ben Chilwell than an injury prone Mendy.

Moving on from that, inevitably as the years pass by the players will no longer respond as well to Peps demanding style, and he will tire them out. Like Barca in 11/12. Therefore an overhaul of 4-5 players out & 4-5 players in would fresh up the squad and ensure Pep has the right environment to get the best out of the all players.
 
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Bazzmand Show said:
I don't think that will be the case at all and why would the club do that? He has until the end of his this contract to win the CL in my opinion. You don't offer people indefinite theoretical contracts - it's why a lot of clubs get themselves into expensive situations with sacking managers.

Also, we've spent near 600 million since he got here - why do we need another 'overhaul'. As I said, there's absolutely no rush to extend his contract and I for one feel like the board would want to see how he gets on this year.
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Don't think winning the champions league comes into either way. It's an ambition but theowners understand how difficult it is and how much is down to luck, decisions and minute incidents like a missed or scored penalty. They believe all things equal Pep is our best choice of manager and will try to keep him, whatever happens this season.
 
Pep is a competitor above all.

He is now is the most competitive league plus is working with his friends. Then there is Klopp with Liverpool, now Mourinho with Spurs, the surprise package Chelsea led by Lampard. Arsenal will sack Emery and replace him with possibly another top manager, then you have United who will surely invest money. The competition is unreal here and just when you think the level might decrease it gets even tougher.

The media have also been on City’s back as usual and instead of pushing Pep away (their original goal), I believe they have made him more eager to stay and prove them wrong.

Pep likes a challenge and he has a big one here, continue to fight for the Premier League and finally win the Champions League, Overhaul the squad and bring through youngsters.

He has exciting teenagers like Foden, Garcia, Doyle, Harwood-Bellis coming through. Surely he wants to see them develop.

Many players like Bernardo, Sterling, Jesus, Rodri, etc are yet to reach their peak.

Now he will have the challenge of replacing Silva, Aguero, Kompany still.

There is a lot to do here. I don’t see why he would leave. Maybe if there was something attractive abroad but as I said years ago I don’t really see it.

Germany- think it’s the last place he would go.
Spain- back to Barcelona, unlikely
France-no challenge in a one team league where he’ll be judged only on a knockout competition, the CL
Italy- the most likely option imo, but again, not much attraction there right now. Juve are winning the league no problem and have Sarri. Again there he would be judged solely on the CL. Inter have Conte who I think will stay there a few years, he’s doing well. Finally Milan are in turmoil, with little money to invest and far away from top 4 even.
National team- think he’s still too young for that.

If he were to leave I could see him going to Serie A but not anytime soon.

All signs point to him staying here for the next few years.
 
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