Keir Starmer

[urban genie]

The last 3 decades are not the problem. The last decade is the problem. In the decade before that, Labour won 3 landslide victories.

Corbynistas need to figure out what they want out of politics.

If they want investment in the NHS, investment in education, social services and tackling the homeless problem, they can have all that. They just need to elect a left of centre leader.

If what they want out of politics is to penalise big business. Squash ambition. Make the rich eat a “shit sandwich”, then they can’t have that. Turkey’s won’t vote for xmas.

You miss my point over those decades, while loyalties stayed and such improvemwnts as sure start, minimum wage, walk in centres, cancer treatment prioratizing made peoples lives better, labour focused on the economy being financially centered and communites carried on to decline.

Investment was there to help people, but not improve the places to be sustainable for the future and helped breed a brexit mindset and slow loss of faith in their traditional party.

Labours support with the electorate had been declining since 2005

 

[urban genie]

She's not leadership material - inarticulate and too confrontational - an ok shadow minister but not shadow leader.
Lucy Powell has grown on me and shame Flint lost her seat.

I would say deputy leader would be ok for her

 

[Chippy_boy]

Your choice.

Not a thread for gloating and waffling about corbyn, he is the past, but who the genuine commited labour supporters both past and present on here would like to see.

For me

Clive Lewis
Or
Angela Raynor.

CLEARLY neither are suitable.

Kier Starmer is their only hope.

From a personal perspective, I'd love them to pick Barry Gardiner, because I'd get to have a new TV every month having thrown another chair at the last one.

 

[Scoobz1]

Anybody who isn't a puppet of the Momentum dickheads.

Momentum should go and get / set- up their own party rather than hijacking the Labour party

 

[The blue phantom]

Lucy Powell might be a good shout.

Those asking for Raynor need to ask what has she actually done. She was the one moaning about respectful politics and moaned about being called looney left and her tweets are incredibly disrespectful and personal towards the PM.

Failsworth voted Conservative. It’s only the Ashton and Droylsden vote that got her elected on a much reduced majority. She’s a lucky girl to get back in as she has achieved nothing of note.

That's not nice of her is it ? I really can't understand why anyone would be disrespectful to Boris.

 

[Scoobz1]

You may never realise that the capitalist establishment want you to think that so there interests are protected.

People have voted for homelessness and hunger, for the rich to enrich themselves further and for the corporitisation of the UK on a scale unimaginable.

We have got exactly what we deserve and that scares the shit out of me..

And you would have voted for bankruptcy / debt being passed on to future generations so they suffer further and crippling inflation - Labour are economically naive

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

You're in a double bind then, all the cosy Blair lookalikes were/are remainers.

I'll be happy if you can correct me, but can you think of a nice, cosy leaver in the Labour Party?

My MP Graham Stringer. Kate Hoey.

 

[Blue Hefner]

The problem is finding someone who isn't an old union trot throwback, a superficial ex lawyer, or some careerist that's never done a proper job and could just as easily been a lib dem or tory. Not many that don't tick one of these boxes.

Maybe an old Etonian, ex-mayor and sacked journalist would be a good pick to connect with the people????

 

[dave_blue12]

And you would have voted for bankruptcy / debt being passed on to future generations so they suffer further and crippling inflation - Labour are economically naive

Straight out of the Daily Mail/Express/Telegraph*

* Delete or add as appropriate

 

[Blue Hefner]

CLEARLY neither are suitable.

Kier Starmer is their only hope.

From a personal perspective, I'd love them to pick Barry Gardiner, because I'd get to have a new TV every month having thrown another chair at the last one.

I think they would be barmy to go for Gardiner, Rayner, Philips, Burgdoen or the like - fuck all that

Get someone who they can visualise shaking hands around the world and that people might actually like. Starmer would be my pick. The rest have no chance

 

[Gabriel]

Don’t think the English really change that much. Blair, Cameron, Johnson, even Clegg. There is a fairly identifiable trend there, and one that appeals to the middle. Doubt Labour will elect anyone in that mould, so it’ll be a leader for the interim.

 

[kaz7]

That's not nice of her is it ? I really can't understand why anyone would be disrespectful to Boris.

Boris threw more insults and nastiness than anyone else lol

 

[mexico1970]

The next Labour leader who gets the PM job hasn't probably started primary school yet.

 

[mccity]

Give it to Giggsy until the end of the Brexit.

 

[Rascal]

Hillary Benn ?? I think he would tick many voters boxes

I would resign my membership in disgust if he got elected. It was the likes of him who forced the contrarian position on the EU,when we should always have been the party of Leave. Benn and his ilk put siding with the capitalists before siding with our people.

He is as much to blame for Johnson as anyone.

 

[Shaelumstash]

You miss my point over those decades, while loyalties stayed and such improvemwnts as sure start, minimum wage, walk in centres, cancer treatment prioratizing made peoples lives better, labour focused on the economy being financially centered and communites carried on to decline.

Investment was there to help people, but not improve the places to be sustainable for the future and helped breed a brexit mindset and slow loss of faith in their traditional party.

Labours support with the electorate had been declining since 2005

Mate, I think you’re completely misrepresenting the data there.

2005 Labour’s support started to fall because of Iraq, and also because it was their 3rd term, show me a leader who’s popularity increases in their 3rd full term, it doesn’t happen.

You’re also forgetting, that while it was dropping, it was dropping from the highest point it had ever reached in history. Although it had dropped, it was still enough for a solid majority.

But this historic 10% drop for Labour yesterday is something completely different.

It’s dropping from an already pretty low base. Dropping to the lowest level for 100 years.

It’s also dropping during a period when it’s been in opposition for 10 YEARS! And in opposition against an absolute bunch of rag tag Tories, a complete shambles who have presided over some of the biggest welfare cuts and austerity we’ve ever seen.

The Labour MP for Sedgewick who last his seat said when he was knocking on doors, for every Labour voter who said they couldn’t vote Labour because of the Brexit policy, 5 said they couldn’t vote for Labour because of Corbyn.

Not because of Corbyn the man. But his “world view”. Anti west, anti business, anti ambition.

Promising things like free broadband that nobody asked for and thinking he could renationalise parts of BT. The British public thinks BT is better at running BT than Jeremy Corbyn would be.

 

[Rascal]

champagne socialist

Do you understand the connotations of that phrase?

 

[blueinsa]

I would resign my membership in disgust if he got elected. It was the likes of him who forced the contrarian position on the EU,when we should always have been the party of Leave. Benn and his ilk put siding with the capitalists before siding with our people.

He is as much to blame for Johnson as anyone.

Hang on we got told the membership demanded the remain position?

Which is it Russ?

I get it its deflect time and blame anyone and everything for the failure yet again of the supreme leader, his master McCluskey and the momentum stooges that run the whole lot behind the scenes but im not having it that it is the right of the labour party to blame for their shit brexit stance.

It was your own pro remain membership and i know this because i got told it several times on here by a few members.

 

[Ric]

Starmer would be my choice, but can’t see it happening.

 

[urban genie]

Mate, I think you’re completely misrepresenting the data there.

2005 Labour’s support started to fall because of Iraq, and also because it was their 3rd term, show me a leader who’s popularity increases in their 3rd full term, it doesn’t happen.

You’re also forgetting, that while it was dropping, it was dropping from the highest point it had ever reached in history. Although it had dropped, it was still enough for a solid majority.

But this historic 10% drop for Labour yesterday is something completely different.

It’s dropping from an already pretty low base. Dropping to the lowest level for 100 years.

It’s also dropping during a period when it’s been in opposition for 10 YEARS! And in opposition against an absolute bunch of rag tag Tories, a complete shambles who have presided over some of the biggest welfare cuts and austerity we’ve ever seen.

The Labour MP for Sedgewick who last his seat said when he was knocking on doors, for every Labour voter who said they couldn’t vote Labour because of the Brexit policy, 5 said they couldn’t vote for Labour because of Corbyn.

Not because of Corbyn the man. But his “world view”. Anti west, anti business, anti ambition.

Promising things like free broadband that nobody asked for and thinking he could renationalise parts of BT. The British public thinks BT is better at running BT than Jeremy Corbyn would be.

Never said corbyn wasn't a problem.

But labour didn't restore industry and prosperity to the places that have abandonded them , as they focused on the financial services mainly out of London.

These places labour loyalty has been slowly eroded for a long time, brexit and the leadership finally put them across a line they were pushed towards for a long time.