Keir Starmer

[Churchlawtonblue]

Maybe in your circles of friends and social media feeds but that doesn't account for everyone. What people will like about her is she speaks her mind says like it is just like Johnson and Farage and that's what people can relate to whether you like or agree with what she actually sayss.

She certainly spoke her mind a few years back while campaigning in Essex. That went down well with the electorate.

 

[Mike D]

Whataboutism in its worst form.

I don’t like Johnson, I actively dislike him as PM.

Rather that just going “look at the Tories” maybe addressing Labour’s deeply out-of-touch approach would be more beneficial.

If I was a leave voter from the North East or Lancashire, I’d fuck Labour off for a generation if Thornberry got put up as leader.

But you are not everyone and you can't please everyone.
Labour has 2 fundamental flaws Brexit and Corbyn being a nice man and not a ****. The policies were good too many probably but a couple of gem

 

[Mike D]

No mate, you need to listen to the electorate,
Labour lost because of the likes of Thornberry.She is one of many that embraced Corbyn’s toxic tenure, it simply has to be someone who has persistently decried him, and you need to understand that socialism and
the ones who propound it, are never going to be accepted.
It looks like Labour has not, and never will, get this, evidenced by the candidates being presented, but since Momentum moved in,
that was always going to be the case.

I think you are missing the point Labour lost on brexiit and Corbun. Far too many people like yourself want to throw the baby out of the bath water and go back to blairism. It's never going to work start with the basics strong leadership and a strategy

 

[Ban-jani]

But you are not everyone and you can't please everyone.
Labour has 2 fundamental flaws Brexit and Corbyn being a nice man and not a ****. The policies were good too many probably but a couple of gem

Corbyn is a ****.

He’s a nasty antisemitic one at that.

He’s appealed to middle class metropolitan remainer types, those who occupy coffee shops and where alternative clobber.

The working classes in the heartlands hate him.

That’s his problem.

 

[Mike D]

Corbyn is a ****.

He’s a nasty antisemitic one at that.

He’s appealed to middle class metropolitan remainer types, those who occupy coffee shops and where alternative clobber.

The working classes in the heartlands hate him.

That’s his problem.

Sorry you are talking out of your arse and I am not going to be bothered to reply because you are totally wrong. I will come back with proof evidence of him being anti Semitic. Stop being a dick you're better than that!!!

 

[BlueAnorak]

And Johnson called muslims letter boxes and bank robbers, and yet still muslims voted for him. It is appalling I agree but back in the day it would have mattered we are in different times we have Trump and mini Trump nobody gives a fuck!

Boris Johnson actually stated that muslim women had a right to wear what they want in public - no matter how it looks to the rest of us. To criticise anything in that article is pure woekism.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...-wrong-yes-burka-oppressive-ridiculous-still/

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I think you are missing the point Labour lost on brexiit and Corbun. Far too many people like yourself want to throw the baby out of the bath water and go back to blairism. It's never going to work start with the basics strong leadership and a strategy

Ok, you are obviously one of those who still believes that socialism can be sold to the people, it never has, and never will.

 

[blue_paul]

The Labour Party need a leader who is acceptable to the wider public and who then might get an easier time from the press. I’ve no idea who that may be but however left wing policies may come up favourably in focus groups, those that espouse them will be attacked ferociously and constantly on all media platforms.
I think with the perceived rightward shift in society, they the next leader needs to be less of an internationalist, with neutral views on the Middle East and Northern Ireland. Maybe someone with a military background who can do the flag waving thing when necessary.

 

[Ban-jani]

Sorry you are talking out of your arse and I am not going to be bothered to reply because you are totally wrong. I will come back with proof evidence of him being anti Semitic. Stop being a dick you're better than that!!!

Corbyn is the reason Johnson has a huge majority and the Tories will likely be in power until 2029.

Corbyn is be reason 50% of British Jews were considering fleeing the country if Labour won power.

Corbyn is the reason 86% of them said they feel he’s antisemtic.

Corbyn is the reason that the hard left have bullied more centrist people away from the party.

Corbyn is the reason Jewish MPs got death threats and he’s the reason Luciana Berger was ran out of the party for merely being critical of its approach to antisemitism. Not once did he reach out to her, when she was being threatened and whilst she was pregnant.

Corbyn is the reason Labour are the first party being formally investigated by the EHRC, other than the BNP, in Britain.

Corbyn is the reason 30 whistleblowers that worked within the disputes team in the Labour Party have come forward.

Corbyn is the reason the Team Leader of the complaints team attempted to commit suicide whilst he was in the role.

Corbyn said Zionists (jews) didn’t understand English humour. Corbyn questioned why an antisemtic mural was taken down. Corbyn said Israel having a right to exist was “a bias in Britain”. Corbyn put Jennie Formby in the role of General Secretary, as one of his close allies, who then interfered on the side of antisemites to get them off the hook whilst they were being investigated by the complaints committee.

You can’t swear at me all you wish but it doesn’t take anything away from what’s happened.

 

[Gray]

Watched a report about the three Stoke parliamentary seats and one of the reasons given was the way Corbyn had cozied up to various terrorist groups. The areas around Stoke are strongly associated with the Armed Forces and they did not want somebody like him in control of their future.

• Allienated the forces and their families.
• Allienated the Jews.
• Allienated pro-Brexit supporters.

Along with his everything is free manifesto he was always going to be unelectable his bearing is also one of arrogance and disdain, just like his walk into Parliament, a thoroughly dislikable individual.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

But you are not everyone and you can't please everyone.
Labour has 2 fundamental flaws Brexit and Corbyn being a nice man and not a ****. The policies were good too many probably but a couple of gem

Your delusional if you think the British public swallowed all those fanciful free money policies. They are not stupid, those at the top of the labour party had a reality check.

 

[robbieh]

Corbyn is the reason Johnson has a huge majority and the Tories will likely be in power until 2029.

Corbyn is be reason 50% of British Jews were considering fleeing the country if Labour won power.

Corbyn is the reason 86% of them said they feel he’s antisemtic.

Corbyn is the reason that the hard left have bullied more centrist people away from the party.

Corbyn is the reason Jewish MPs got death threats and he’s the reason Luciana Berger was ran out of the party for merely being critical of its approach to antisemitism. Not once did he reach out to her, when she was being threatened and whilst she was pregnant.

Corbyn is the reason Labour are the first party being formally investigated by the EHRC, other than the BNP, in Britain.

Corbyn is the reason 30 whistleblowers that worked within the disputes team in the Labour Party have come forward.

Corbyn is the reason the Team Leader of the complaints team attempted to commit suicide whilst he was in the role.

Corbyn said Zionists (jews) didn’t understand English humour. Corbyn questioned why an antisemtic mural was taken down. Corbyn said Israel having a right to exist was “a bias in Britain”. Corbyn put Jennie Formby in the role of General Secretary, as one of his close allies, who then interfered on the side of antisemites to get them off the hook whilst they were being investigated by the complaints committee.

You can’t swear at me all you wish but it doesn’t take anything away from what’s happened.

OK let's say that Corbyn's stance has led to attacks on the Jewish community.

Do you not also think that Johnson and Farage and Brexit in particular has given rise to a deeply unpleasant attitude to foreigners in general.

 

[Ban-jani]

OK let's say that Corbyn's stance has led to attacks on the Jewish community.

Do you not also think that Johnson and Farage and Brexit in particular has given rise to a deeply unpleasant attitude to foreigners in general.

I don’t like Johnson or Farage.

Why are we persisting in whataboutism?

Are you admitting that Corbyn has led to antisemitism?

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

OK let's say that Corbyn's stance has led to attacks on the Jewish community.

Do you not also think that Johnson and Farage and Brexit in particular has given rise to a deeply unpleasant attitude to foreigners in general.

Fuck me why do people do that? When discussing one thing or person they chuck in someone/thing else and start asking about that. Pointless

 

[robbieh]

Fuck me why do people do that? When discussing one thing or person they chuck in someone/thing else and start asking about that. Pointless

Maybe because there has been an unrelenting assault on Corbyn over his alleged anti semitism. While I am sure there are antisemites in the Labour party I don't think Corbyn is one of them.
I was pointing our that toleration of difference seems to be in short supply across the board, especially outside parliament and I think the referendum has unleashed feelings that are different to control.
That's not to say that the public is intolerant at large but it has given confidence to people that are and it needs to be stopped.

 

[Fame Monster]

I think you are missing the point Labour lost on brexiit and Corbun. Far too many people like yourself want to throw the baby out of the bath water and go back to blairism. It's never going to work start with the basics strong leadership and a strategy

There's not much in the way of a baby in that bath. Maybe a bit of sperm but the bath needs to be drained and thoroughly cleaned out.

Corbyn and Brexit were definitely factors but so was the manifesto bar a few policies.

People don't want radicalism or huge, potentially bankrupting increases in non-productive spending: they want credible, affordable policies that will improve their lives.

 

[urban genie]

There's not much in the way of a baby in that bath. Maybe a bit of sperm but the bath needs to be drained and thoroughly cleaned out.

Corbyn and Brexit were definitely factors but so was the manifesto bar a few policies.

People don't want radicalism or huge, potentially bankrupting increases in non-productive spending: they want credible, affordable policies that will improve their lives.

But most polls and surveys say people are in favour of renationalisation of railways and water.
Universal credit has been a comete fuck up and the NHS and education is becoming more private under each tory parliament.

Focus on the socialist policies that people are in favour of and restoring communites.

Post 2008 returning to neo-liberal/third way economics of new labour would be a bad idea, the world has moved on.

One commitment should be extended devolution, parliament is antiquated and should be replaced, we need an English parliament to run alongside scotland, NI and wales is and then a council of representatives of each country with a revolving prime minister with this council representing the UK.


As for the leadership, gibbering bitter old cunts like roy hattersley commenting is no help to anyone.

 

[urban genie]

So hats in the ring are

Thornbiry
Lewis

With the expectation
Lammay
Long bailey
Phillips
Nandy
Starmer
Coooer
Considering to all stand too.

Far too many and will split the votes early doors, can see the final stand of being starmer, long bailey, lewis and lammay

 

[Len Rum]

Corbyn is a ****.
He’s a nasty antisemitic one at that.
He’s appealed to middle class metropolitan remainer types, those who occupy coffee shops and where alternative clobber.
The working classes in the heartlands hate him.
That’s his problem.

It's come to this has it mate.
It's been a long way down for you.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Maybe because there has been an unrelenting assault on Corbyn over his alleged anti semitism. While I am sure there are antisemites in the Labour party I don't think Corbyn is one of them.

Well he is.

There's been a constant chorus from those in complete denial over this, starting with the claim that there's no antisemitism in the Labour Party, moving onto the claim it's just the media whipping it up (backed by the Zionist lobby/Israelis of course). Then where's there's clear evidence of antisemitic acts and statements, the narrative has been that they're probably not members.

Then when it's clearly by members of the party (including from councillors and both sitting & prospective MP's) it's been "Oh it's only a few compared to our hundreds of thousands of members" and/or "But the Tories...." despite the fact the EHRC found enough evidence to justify a full investigation into institutional antisemitism in the party.

And now it's "OK yes, we've got a problem that we haven't dealt with very well but Corbyn at least isn't antisemitic". Yet it's been shown numerous times on here that he personally has made statements and done things that are classed as antisemitic. He tried to stop the adoption of the IHRA definition precisely because it would class him as antisemitic. So then the narrative moves to attacking the IHRA definition.

He may not be antisemitic in the way that Hitler or the far-right are, but it's been demonstrated a number of times that he clearly has a problem with Jews (or Zionists in his words) and the existence of Israel.