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Var debate 2019/20
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Meanwhile the monitors remain unused. They figure its more jobs for which they get paid, they are happy to uck it up.
Norwich’s goal wasn’t offside , neither was Wolves . Van dykes clearly touches his hand & Laportes is impossible to tell , your just making stuff up again , you are a wind up merchant , lieing , making stuff up , i’d Prefer if you didn’t reply to my posts anymore as I struggle to deal with incompetent fools .Explain why Wolves goal was ruled out????
For the exact same reason Sheffields goal was ruled out, for the exact same reason Norwich goal was ruled out. For the exact same reason Firmino's against Villa was ruled out, while being 1 down none the less, with us still in the race. VAR is used wrong, the laws as they are doesn't link well with the technology VAR possess. That doesn't mean its out to get us though.
Jesus beating 2 men to the ball and score is irrelevant. VAR looks for handball in the build-up, and the law says if its found the goal have to be ruled out. Again, the law is the wrong party here. Not VAR.
There has been angles for Van Djiks supposed handball, where it clearly shows the ball never touches his hand. It has been angles from the Laporte incident clearly showing the ball touches his hand. If you choose to ignore them that is up to you. But don't fucking say other people lie to suit their opinion then.
Where did the Liverpool thread disappear?
Here's my reponse to a Liverpool fan pretending the be a City fan.
"I don't think you are a City fan, but I shall respond. Your answers are unconvincing.
You argue that "they were afftected by VAR as much as us". How? By listing several decisions against Liverpool most of which correct. Problem is there have been numerous favourable decisons for Liverpool and not one for City before last night. There is a clear discrepance between the favourable decisions for both clubs and your response doesn't explain it away at all.
You don't explain the Christmas fixture schedule, you don't make sense of itl. Why? Because you can't. It's in Liverpool's favour, no two ways about it. Instead you are trying to deflect the point by arguing that City had easier fixtures at the start of the season and easier fixtures in the cups. But this argument isn't convincing either. First, the cup draws and the fixture schedule in the league are supposed to be completely independent, it's not like PL has compensated City for the Christmas schedule with favourable draws in the league cup and the CL. It's not like the PL has decided City to have easier fixtures at the start and to compensate Liverpool with easier fixture schedule at Christmas. It doesn't work like that at all. Second, to have a number of consecutive league games against top 6 teams when the CL groups are decided (November and December) is not obviously beneficial. Third, last season City lost 3 games against average/poor teams and only one game against a top 6 team. The notion of easy and difficult fixtures does not quite apply when it comes to City.
Basically, you have no anaswer to why the PL has made it easy for Liverpool around Christmas and you have no response why City haven't had favourable decisions during the first half of the season. There is a clear tendency of helping Liverpool win their 1st PL title and not let City win several league titles in a row and damage the brand. I suppose next season they will help Man U or Chelsea or whoever seems capable of challenging for the title."
We’ve had a few decisions in our favour. Encroachment called twice against West Ham and Wolves both Pen’s missed originally but scored when retaken only because of VAR. Plus Mahrez pen at Wolves in the first place off the top of my head! Then Shef Utd last night!!
We’ve had a couple of dodgy ones too no doubt, but its not all one way
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The level of conversation here is simply emberrassing at times.Norwich’s goal wasn’t offside , neither was Wolves . Van dykes clearly touches his hand & Laportes is impossible to tell , your just making stuff up again , you are a wind up merchant , lieing , making stuff up , i’d Prefer if you didn’t reply to my posts anymore as I struggle to deal with incompetent fools .
You don't struggle to deal with incompetent fools. You struggle to argue against people that doesn't share your delusion.
What you choose to believe is not my problem. I only ask you to stop attacking posters capable of having a balanced opinion, because that is what this board needs.
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When you see the two pictures that are on social media of the two handball incidents (one the Leicester centre half against liverpool and the other ATA in our game against liverpool) and the one he gives is where the arm is closest to the body, you know that VAR isn't the only issue.
We’ve had a few decisions in our favour. Encroachment called twice against West Ham and Wolves both missed but scored when retaken because of VAR. Plus Mahrez pen at Wolves in the first place off the top of my head!
Against Wolves is the only time it really mattered. And at this point we were already out of the title hunt. Wham away the game was already decided , the result was 3:0 at the time. So, no, we haven't had favourable decisions which influenced the final result. Liverpool have had several.
Bluemanc100
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Strange that because if there’s a single shot of the ball hitting Dick Van’s arm then you are talking bollocks....Explain why Wolves goal was ruled out????
For the exact same reason Sheffields goal was ruled out, for the exact same reason Norwich goal was ruled out. For the exact same reason Firmino's against Villa was ruled out, while being 1 down none the less, with us still in the race. VAR is used wrong, the laws as they are doesn't link well with the technology VAR possess. That doesn't mean its out to get us though.
Jesus beating 2 men to the ball and score is irrelevant. VAR looks for handball in the build-up, and the law says if its found the goal have to be ruled out. Again, the law is the wrong party here. Not VAR.
There has been angles for Van Djiks supposed handball, where it clearly shows the ball never touches his hand. It has been angles from the Laporte incident clearly showing the ball touches his hand. If you choose to ignore them that is up to you. But don't fucking say other people lie to suit their opinion then.
Is there?
LolWe’ve had a few decisions in our favour. Encroachment called twice against West Ham and Wolves both Pen’s missed originally but scored when retaken only because of VAR. Plus Mahrez pen at Wolves in the first place off the top of my head! Then Shef Utd last night!!
We’ve had a couple of dodgy ones too no doubt, but its not all one way
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A video was posted on here showing the whole incident from when he receives the ball to his pass. It looks pretty conclusive that it didn't hit his hand.Strange that because if there’s a single shot of the ball hitting Dick Van’s arm then you are talking bollocks....
Is there?
The point though is that people on here will see whatever the fuck they want. It used you to be United. Now its Liverpool.
Change the fucking record
Why are fans of all the other clubs seeing the same thing then ?A video was posted on here showing the whole incident from when he receives the ball to his pass. It looks pretty conclusive that it didn't hit his hand.
The point though is that people on here will see whatever the fuck they want. It used you to be United. Now its Liverpool.
Change the fucking record
Bluemanc100
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A video was posted on here showing the whole incident from when he receives the ball to his pass. It looks pretty conclusive that it didn't hit his hand.
The point though is that people on here will see whatever the fuck they want. It used you to be United. Now its Liverpool.
Change the fucking record
I didn’t see the video ... was it this one where the ball seems to change direction on hitting the arm? Not conclusive though is it... maybe it would have If he’d been a French defender in a City shirt...
I have no issue getting beaten to the title by anybody as long as it’s fair and square.. this season they are better than we are but that doesn’t mean these decisions are irrelevant
Against Wolves is the only time it really mattered. And at this point we were already out of the title hunt. Wham away the game was already decided , the result was 3:0 at the time. So, no, we haven't had favourable decisions which influenced the final result. Liverpool have had several.
Liverpool have had 2 mane goals disallowed at watford and the rags. Plus frimino had one disallowed at villa!! They’ve also had the rub of the green against us with the TAA none handball but its hardly all in their favour is it!!??
When facts dont suit your argument. Answer lol....
LolWhen facts dont suit your argument. Answer lol....
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Explain why Wolves goal was ruled out????
For the exact same reason Sheffields goal was ruled out, for the exact same reason Norwich goal was ruled out. For the exact same reason Firmino's against Villa was ruled out, while being 1 down none the less, with us still in the race. VAR is used wrong, the laws as they are doesn't link well with the technology VAR possess. That doesn't mean its out to get us though.
Jesus beating 2 men to the ball and score is irrelevant. VAR looks for handball in the build-up, and the law says if its found the goal have to be ruled out. Again, the law is the wrong party here. Not VAR.
There has been angles for Van Djiks supposed handball, where it clearly shows the ball never touches his hand. It has been angles from the Laporte incident clearly showing the ball touches his hand. If you choose to ignore them that is up to you. But don't fucking say other people lie to suit their opinion then.
OK then, can you tell me then if all these marginal millimetre decisions are being called correctly by VAR why the fcuk we got fcuk all decisions at Anfield recently?
Can you tell me why the Egyptian divers goal wasn't ruled out for offside?
You mention Sheff Utd's, Wolves and Firmino goals being chalked off for marginal offsides but the divers wasn't even reviewed ffs..!
Wasn't that (goal) exactly like the above situations.?
You would think in such an important game at the top of the table, it should have been afforded a little bit more VAR scrunity than the several seconds it took to give the goal, would you not agree ?
The whole Premier League supporting fan base is going ape shit regarding the abomination that is VAR and one song you won't hear the KOP singing is FUCK VAR, they must be happy with the decisions they're getting then, would you agree ..?
Nothing to see, move along now..!
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Football's law-makers say the video assistant referee system should not be "too forensic" when it comes to offsides - and should only be used to reverse "clear and obvious" errors.
Five goals in the Premier League were ruled out at the weekend for marginal offsides, leading some managers and players to criticise VAR.
Lukas Brud, general secretary of the International Football Association Board, said: "With VAR we see some things that are going in a direction that we may need to re-adjust."
He said the body would reissue guidance on VAR's use after its annual general meeting in February.
"If you spend multiple minutes trying to identify whether it is offside or not, then it's not clear and obvious and the original decision should stand," he said.
He added: "What we really need to stress is that 'clear and obvious' applies to every single situation that is being reviewed by the VAR or the referee.
"In theory, 1mm offside is offside, but if a decision is taken that a player is not offside and the VAR is trying to identify through looking at five, six, seven, 10, 12 cameras whether or not it was offside, then the original decision should stand.
"This is the problem. People are trying to be too forensic. We are not looking to make a better decision, we are trying to get rid of the clear and obvious mistakes.
"If video evidence shows that a player was in an offside position, he was offside full stop. If it's not obvious, then the decision cannot be changed, you stay with the original decision.
"We will be communicating to all competitions that are using VAR some updates in the coming weeks, because we are observing some developments that are not particularly the way they should be."
They had better not change it in feb,they have already changed it to var overturning refs all of a sudden recently,sort out the shitshow in the summer
Five goals in the Premier League were ruled out at the weekend for marginal offsides, leading some managers and players to criticise VAR.
Lukas Brud, general secretary of the International Football Association Board, said: "With VAR we see some things that are going in a direction that we may need to re-adjust."
He said the body would reissue guidance on VAR's use after its annual general meeting in February.
"If you spend multiple minutes trying to identify whether it is offside or not, then it's not clear and obvious and the original decision should stand," he said.
He added: "What we really need to stress is that 'clear and obvious' applies to every single situation that is being reviewed by the VAR or the referee.
"In theory, 1mm offside is offside, but if a decision is taken that a player is not offside and the VAR is trying to identify through looking at five, six, seven, 10, 12 cameras whether or not it was offside, then the original decision should stand.
"This is the problem. People are trying to be too forensic. We are not looking to make a better decision, we are trying to get rid of the clear and obvious mistakes.
"If video evidence shows that a player was in an offside position, he was offside full stop. If it's not obvious, then the decision cannot be changed, you stay with the original decision.
"We will be communicating to all competitions that are using VAR some updates in the coming weeks, because we are observing some developments that are not particularly the way they should be."
They had better not change it in feb,they have already changed it to var overturning refs all of a sudden recently,sort out the shitshow in the summer
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Why are fans of all the other clubs seeing the same thing then ?
Because no one likes Liverpool.
Personally I don’t like VAR because it’s turned the laws into something people see far too rigidly now rather than what they were there for in the first place (stopping an unfair advantage). Even if Van Dijk did handle the ball, there was no advantage gained from it. Wolves didn’t concede because of it, they conceded because their defence was out of shape and didn’t track the runners. Likewise, Liverpool didn’t concede because the Wolves players toe was off side, they conceded because they didn't defend the cross in well enough, ditto with most of the offside calls over the weekend.
The spirit of the game is suffering every week as a consequence.
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I didn’t see the video ... was it this one where the ball seems to change direction on hitting the arm? Not conclusive though is it... maybe it would have If he’d been a French defender in a City shirt...
I have no issue getting beaten to the title by anybody as long as it’s fair and square.. this season they are better than we are but that doesn’t mean these decisions are irrelevant
I have to be honest with you. I have seen the footage 20 times now, and its impossible to say if it touches his hand or not.
I think if you want it to touch his chest that is what you see. If you want to see a handball, you will see that.
I agree it should be fair & square. It's not fair at the moment, because the system does't work. There is no fairness in incompetence.
But surely you have to see the narrative here is that everything that goes the scousers way is corruption, and the things that goes against them gets ignored? Their goal even got wrongfully disallowed for a Lallana handball yesterday, is it only VAR that is there to aid them? Because last year it was the referees, one of them who without VAR would have them lose 1-0 yesterday, by disallowing a goal because of a infringement by Lallana that wasn't there, and allowing a goal that has consistently been chalked off as offside, ever since Jesus goal at west ham.
It has been the same for all the league this season. Every situation compared to another proves that. VAR has been bad, but consistent