Crystal Palace (H) - Post Match

Long goal kick why? We’ve played out from the back against much better sides and retained the ball. We lose the header, we lose the 50/50, Stones then let’s Zaha run instead of taking him out and accepting the yellow card. Frustrating.

Vanity from Ederson. Playing to the crowd, time wasting and then showing everyone how far he could kick it. Having said that it should have been in his net within 10 seconds.
 
We can’t win the league anyway so not that arsed
I think we just need to go big in cups and the league will just tick over
People slagging of stones etc
He along with others like mendy and Laporte need games before big cup games
You moan about pep but when he’s gone we’ll miss him big time
 
If things have gone stale. The evidence suggests that we have not gone stale but that we can not handle injury to Laporte.

Anyone can argue that if x happens we should do y. You need to say whether you think x has happened i.e. Pep has lost the players. We can all agree with a generality that once a coach loses the dressing room he is done. If you claim that Pep has indeed lost the players, and should be doing a better job at defensively drilling the team, then I think this argument will indeed get criticism. There's no justification for it. We know the side's struggling but there are more obvious explanations than putting it down to the coaching

I think your long held opinion that Laporte will sort out most of our defensive problems isn’t realistic but we will find out soon enough.
 
Long goal kick why? We’ve played out from the back against much better sides and retained the ball. We lose the header, we lose the 50/50, Stones then let’s Zaha run instead of taking him out and accepting the yellow card. Frustrating.
Spot on.. I bet Pep was going mental with the team afterwards for the whole sequence which led up to Palace's equaliser. We were saying in our seats in the Family Stand that the team needed to calm down and gather itself when all that 'goalkick/timewasting' stuff was going on and a few of us were saying words to the effect of 'don't go long.. manage the game.. why risk losing possession?' as Ederson shaped to take the kick. Had Eddy waited until we could play the ball out in our usual fashion, I'm sure we'd have seen two things happen.. (a) we wouldn't have given Palace the chance to gain possession, which led in succession to Aguero's minimal aerial challenge, De Bruyne's weak challenge, Cancelo's rush of blood and Stones's lack of bite with Zaha and (b) that f**kwit of a referee yesterday would've immediately booked Eddy for timewasting, confirming his complete f**kwittery given the way he'd spent all afternoon doing nothing about Palace's timewasting, apart from his 'attempts' to speed up the Palace goalkeeper with those 'Paddington hard stares' of his.. Hey ho, on to the next game, lads, 3 points on Tuesday please!
 
We can’t win the league anyway so not that arsed
I think we just need to go big in cups and the league will just tick over
People slagging of stones etc
He along with others like mendy and Laporte need games before big cup games
You moan about pep but when he’s gone we’ll miss him big time

hate to dig out players and after the last couple of season how can you point fingers ?? stones taking a lot of shit and blame but we should have defended the ball better in the first place and just after we scored to make it 2.1 the team turn off and that is the problem this season, just turning off for a second you get punished by any team so the team should take the blame not just stones

city and pep are right to rotate and rest players in the premier league and with very big clubs games coming up you want a full fit squad to pick from, and let's not think the derby in the league cup is over by any means, even the home game in the fa cup vs fulham will be a very hard game, then madrid away is the biggest game of the season and we need our best 11 starting that game
 
He does change his system - see games at Man Utd and Liverpool

I know but what Im getting at is that the insistence on the fullbacks especally being so high up is what does cost us from time to time. - especially in the games you mention which is where it has cost us as it did against wolves where you konw that their whole game plan relies on fast breakaways (as do most teams) - however some teams have the players to really hurt us in those circumstances (Liverpool, Utd, Wolves Place -Zaha one on one against any defender is a problem)
 
Defensively his philosophy of dominating possession high up the pitch leaves us exposed on numerous occasions. Teams score against regularly from limited attempts on goal. Why because they get gilt edged chances.

We conceded just 4 goals in the last 14 games last season. That's as defensively solid as it gets. You won't find many other examples in history where a team concedes less than 0.3 goals per game over the final 4 months of the season.

It's not the system per se but the quality of the performers and their willingness to put in a shift by high pressing the opposition that determines whether the team is solid defensively. This season both the quality of some of the defensive players and the energy to press haven't been quite there.
 
Pep's philosophy is all risk and reward. However, when up against Barca a few years ago, he modified things and it didn't come off. As for the Liverpool front three - Salah's coming up to 28 but has only been scoring a significant number of goals since 2017. Sergio is a better striker than the Liverpool front three, Kane the lot. You judge a striker by the number of goals they score in a top team - it's a level playing field. Jesus near enough scores one in two.

Of course kun ins the better striker all around - gift any average striker/attacker with pace the space we do and they will hurt us however (see Traore a a perfect example..he is technically poor when compared to others but a speed merchant who causes us trouble becuase he has so much space and time....Imagine teams offering Leroy Sane that much space and time -he'd score 40 a season!
 
We can’t win the league anyway so not that arsed
I think we just need to go big in cups and the league will just tick over
People slagging of stones etc
He along with others like mendy and Laporte need games before big cup games
You moan about pep but when he’s gone we’ll miss him big time
At this rate the dippers will win the league in March and will be able to concentrate on the FA and CL cups, meanwhile we'll be struggling to get 2nd and thereby qualify for automatic CL group stage qualification having to play full strength in every competition, meanwhile the dippers rest players for their league games
 
I am not sure Pep have any answers right now why we end up with results like the one yesterday. Our game is almost of the same level like the last season, but results are like the season 16/17. I suppose the team psychology plays a big part and other teams definitely changed or adjusted tactics. Apart from that Liverpool game, all losses and draws came against teams that defended not only deep, but also very narrow. So, now we need adjustments in our game-plan. I think John was spooked by the first Zaha incident and that was reason why he wasn't closer to Zaha; Mendy is getting back to his old self, his decision making and a ball control and passing is definitely improving; Raheem needs some serious benching. Coming back on the train I was thinking how uncannily similar were the last five minutes to hat Newcastle game.
 
In one post you state Pep has "credit in the bank for what he's done the last 3 seasons" but then go onto to say "Loyalty doesn't come into it I'm afraid". I completely disagree, he's earned that loyalty based on the 3 season, maybe 4 as we don't know how this season will play out.

I repeat what I said earlier, where were all the doubters when we hammered the Rags and Villa? Probably blowing smoke up Pep's arse...
There's no inconsistency between those two statements. If there's a fundamental issue leading to underachievement or underperformance and any organisation, not just a football club, feels that the manager is the problem, the best course of action is to sever the relationship and get someone new in, in order to freshen things up. Pep's earned time because of his achievements for us and for his previous clubs. I'm sure he'll see the next season out, then we'll see. If we struggle for top 4 next season then I think most would agree it will be time to look elsewhere. On the other hand, we may win the quadruple.

Let's also look at it another way. Let's assume Pep's says to the powers that be, "I'm definitely not staying beyond next season. But if you want a replacement then I'd recommend you appoint [insert name]." Let's speculate that the name is Pochettino. Now for all the idiots who don't bother to read things properly, I'll put it in capital letters. I'M NOT SAYING POCHETTINO IS A BETTER MANAGER THAN PEP. IT'S JUST AN ILLUSTRATION OF A POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE. OK?

Pochettino is presumably available now, for next season, but might not be in 2021. So the board have to decide whether to approach him now, for him to take over next season and avoid the risk of losing out. So even if Pep is happy to see out his contract and we're happy for him to do so, it still might not be in our interest to let him do that depending on who his successor will be.
 
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I think your long held opinion that Laporte will sort out most of our defensive problems isn’t realistic but we will find out soon enough.
Agreed, believing all our problems stems from Laporte being out is something I want to believe, but in my opinion it's way too simplistic. We have been way to easy to defend against way too often this season, Eric will help with passing through the lines but with Ferna there that has hardly been the problem. He will help us tremendously with his presence in the box and making decisions that a actual defender would make, on top of being a genuine world-class defender one-on-one, but he won't be able to suss everything out, and I might even fear for his confidence coming back and having to play himself back in form from a serious injury in the shambles our defence has been this season. Our primary system has been found out, and even if Eric's brilliance would fix it somewhat that still means the system is fundamentally flawed considering guys like Stones, Otamendi and Fernandinho(a lot of people are happy with him and he hasn't been terrible but not good enough imo) can't step in without making us a team that concede every time someone runs at us.

If our defence relies on one world-class CB only you have to change the system. A worry that he did that(also a lot later than he should have) and then were naive enough to revert back to the old one
 
Strange how many points we have lost this season from late goals and have not earned any in return? When did we last score in the 89th minute plus to earn a poin/win in the league? Contrast that with Liverpool, the gap may be 13/14 points or whatever it is but a hell of a lot of that gap has come from the points they have won with very late goals and the points we have dropped by conceding late on.
We were great at hanging on for wins in the last 2 seasons but that skill has deserted us this season.
 
Manchester City attempted 46 crosses from open play against Crystal Palace yesterday - the second-highest of Pep Guardiola’s reign, after the 57 crosses attempted against Southampton in November.

Playing the percentages...
 
Bernardo who'd been out of form, played a blinder against United, in a free role.
Drops him against Villa then brings him back on the wing in place of Mahrez who had a blinder against Villa.
It confuses us. I imagine it affects the players too.

Of course it confuses people but why do you expect to understand everything Pep does? Aside from the fact that he is just playing on a completely different level to most professionals let alone members of our fan base, he's the guy who sees everyone in training, has all the data and medical reports on them and has analysed in depth his opponents; added to which he has to try and keep his squad members feeling happy and involved.

He will make selection decisions that don't end up working out but he doesn't mess around with the team too much.

City should have won that game yesterday with the players and tactics Pep used. We had 72% possession, 25 shots (to their 5) and numerous other opportunities to create even more chances. We had the game won and then the players fucked up by not thinking clearly, which can happen when emotions are high and is why teams are often vulnerable just after they have scored. The players on the pitch should have known better and should have done better after taking the lead.

Momentary lapses cost us dear yesterday and trying to turn them into something else is typical Monday Morning Quarterback shit.

The team is not without its problems and it's really boring to repeat them but they are in short best summed up by Pep's reference to needing to be better in the boxes. Despite being the top scoring team and having the best goal scorer the Premier League has seen and the best chance creator, we are still need to be more clinical. At the other end, despite giving up the fewest chances, we need to defend better. The defending has become the bigger issue and I think it is largely a personnel one that is, amazingly, linked to losing two of the three best centre backs in the league at the same time whilst trying to bed in a new DM.

We have other "problems" but we always will have because perfection isn't possible in football; the great thing is though that we have manager who won't stop striving to achieve it. Other teams should have our problems!
 

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