"Disappointing" attendances

The club missed a big opportunity when they opened the new top tier. That should have been pushed as the atmosphere end. The rest of the ground would follow a definitive leader, it’s human nature. New fans are attracted by atmosphere and noise, particularly kids.

That was Soriano’s biggest mistake to date.

Push it as an atmosphere end how exactly?
It’s already got a singing section where they turn a blind eye to standing and the atmosphere there is DEAD. May as well call it the stood up arms folded section.

The away fans have to go somewhere and we’ve been here before with this argument, they won’t be moved from where they are as all the infrastructure to deal with them is in place at that end.
 
Thanks for picking this up. I really believe that we do not do enough as a club to protect our reputation, and that includes our fans' reputation. We are constantly under attack in the media, mostly unfairly. Everyone at the club has to stick together and the least we should expect from senior leaders like Pep is that they defend our corner. The manager very rarely criticises the players in public and the same should apply to supporters. It would be great if you could get Pep to a meeting. Some of our enemies would love to drive a wedge between our fans and the club management.
The effect it has on our fans, the effect our fans can plainly see it has on our club, the effect seeing our clubs hierarchy and especially the media department sit idly by year upon year whilst we are attacked, belittled, ignored daily by the same individuals and media outlets and also the nations public news outlet the BBC should be brought to their attention. This is OUR club, it was before the Sheik, Shinawatra, Bernstein, Franny, Swales.... yet we are the ones that are impotent, it doesn’t matter what we say or do we can’t defend City against the media feeding the plastic rag and dipper trolls but the powers that be are at least capable of firing a few shots for us
 
The irony is the game that had the largest amount of empty seats that was staged in Manchester/Salford was last week at the Swamp , more than 25k below capacity and around 90% empty at the full time whistle , move a week onwards and we attract the third highest crowd in the FA Cup when the game is live on terrestial TV , and we get shitloads of criticism , the media can just go and f*ck off.
 
Push it as an atmosphere end how exactly?
It’s already got a singing section where they turn a blind eye to standing and the atmosphere there is DEAD. May as well call it the stood up arms folded section.

The away fans have to go somewhere and we’ve been here before with this argument, they won’t be moved from where they are as all the infrastructure to deal with them is in place at that end.

it should have been promoted hard and called the New Kippax.
The fans in the existing singing areas should have been offered first refusal on season tickets at half price.
Ticket prices capped as the lowest in the stadium.
Banners allowed. Standing too.
Beer easy to obtain.
1894 given a section at the back.

If you got the existing regular singers from both sections together right under a roof the noise would be miles better and more people would join in around the stadium. I’d guess that area now holds about 4K. That’s all it needs.
 
I'll never get fed up of winning things and I don't think any City fan of the last few years will either. But that has its price. We used to play 19 PL home games, definitely no European games and maybe a couple of domestic cup games at homeat most if we were lucky, before being knocked out for another season. Remember that West Ham QF at the Etihad and the one at Blackburn? The excitement at being one game from a semi-final was incredible.

But now in addition to those 19 home games, we expect at least 5 CL games and a run to the semi-finals in the domestic cups as a minimum. That's nearly 30 games that have to be played, in the same time period, with often a Wembley final, and where the tickets have to be paid for out of the same pocket.


Yeah I remember that exciting night v West Ham in the QF. Wasn't the attendance about 39000 ? Roughly same as on Sunday !
 
The irony is the game that had the largest amount of empty seats that was staged in Manchester/Salford was last week at the Swamp , more than 25k below capacity and around 90% empty at the full time whistle , move a week onwards and we attract the third highest crowd in the FA Cup when the game is live on terrestial TV , and we get shitloads of criticism , the media can just go and f*ck off.

Yea true but did the paperboy come and say he was disappointed with the scum turn out without any prompting from the reporter? Pep did he started the topic.
 
Just a thought, but If you've spent £100 on a League Cup Semi ticket and the Real-Madrid game and already spent or put aside double that to get to the games perhaps £17 and the assiciated travel costs are too much?

Quite possibly but the comment and discussion my point relates to is attracting in fans that don't normally come to games.

Believe me I know all about the travel costs to games; although cost is not the reason I won't personally use my ticket on Wednesday but the travel itself is.
 
Yea true but did the paperboy come and say he was disappointed with the scum turn out without any prompting from the reporter? Pep did he started the topic.

Guardiola didn't say that either. He said he hoped there'd be more there against the rags and that it wasn't full. It's not exactly controversial stuff but for some reason seems to have hit a nerve.
 
it should have been promoted hard and called the New Kippax.
The fans in the existing singing areas should have been offered first refusal on season tickets at half price.
Ticket prices capped as the lowest in the stadium.
Banners allowed. Standing too.
Beer easy to obtain.
1894 given a section at the back.

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You forgot
Easy turnstiles to jib in
 
Guardiola didn't say that either. He said he hoped there'd be more there against the rags and that it wasn't full. It's not exactly controversial stuff but for some reason seems to have hit a nerve.

It has hit a nerve due to constant jibes about the emptihad from others outside of the club

For our manager to, as you point out simply agree it was not full is not too bad but I would prefer if he had said something better.

Perhaps ask the reporter what she had paid to get in the ground. Turn it around.
 
it should have been promoted hard and called the New Kippax.
The fans in the existing singing areas should have been offered first refusal on season tickets at half price.
Ticket prices capped as the lowest in the stadium.
Banners allowed. Standing too.
Beer easy to obtain.
1894 given a section at the back.

If you got the existing regular singers from both sections together right under a roof the noise would be miles better and more people would join in around the stadium. I’d guess that area now holds about 4K. That’s all it needs.

I agree with a lot of that, especially the comment about the beer. Let’s face it, the best atmospheres are generated in this country when people have had a skinful. I’m not sure the club understand that. The club would rather generate an atmosphere geared more towards tourists, a pretty sanitised, ‘safe’ environment to take in the game.

My idea has always been to stick a massive beer tent on that waste ground they turned into a car park. Cheap beer, make it quick to get served, step out of there and you’re at the ground. No messing about with taxis from town etc. The atmosphere would generate in there and hopefully carry on in the ground when everyone has had a few. Compare that to what you see at city square...
 
Yea true but did the paperboy come and say he was disappointed with the scum turn out without any prompting from the reporter? Pep did he started the topic.

Not OSG would survive such a comment , Pep will because his CV is slightly better , maybe someone at the club should direct Pep to this forum and this subject for clarification , although he probably has far ore important things to do than read posts from a few moaning fans on a football forum
 
That nasty Guardiola man he's not endeared himself to us. How dare he challenge us to make more noise. How dare he let the media make more Emptihad comments.

Why should we take to a man who has done something no other manager has done in England and won all four domestic trophies in a season.

He should be out having bonding exercises with us.

 
I'm sure someone else has posted this but the constant ticket price rises have almost certainly had an impact. As they've crept up and up, it's not been by much each time but it's forced people to make decisions. Even though they may be able to absorb an annual increase, people have dropped Platinum or cup schemes. I certainly did.

I made a decision for a few seasons that I'd reduce my overall expenditure on tickets. I bet others have done this or else have decided to prioritise the later rounds of cup competitions, taking the chance we'd get to Wembley and saving their money for a final weekend. Some just pay for their season tickets and nothing else, and even that's a struggle for them. And by constantly putting prices up, they've not exactly encouraged casual attendees to fill the gap.

Our CEO used to run an airline (which went bust). Imagine an airline that charged £250 for a return flight but that included checked baggage and an on-board snack. Then they decide to charge for those two separately, but don't change the basic price. How many would happily pay for both extras? Only those who had no choice. You'd take hand luggage where possible and buy a sandwich to take on board with you. As the low cost airlines have shown, even charging low basic prices sees people try to cut as many corners as possible. And when you add all the charges up, it's often no more expensive to take a scheduled full-service flight where all the extras are included in the price.

Why go on a cup scheme when you've no idea how much each game will cost or when the club will take the money? Pick and choose. You might pay a few quid more per game but you'll save the money on games you don't fancy, that you can watch in the pub or in the comfort of your own armchair. If the club wants to charge people a few quid extra, via Platinum, give them a discount on a set number of cup tickets, say 50% off any 5 tickets in the first 3 rounds of the domestic cups & CL group stage instead of double points. Then you get money for Platinum and also bums on seats for games that we might ordinarily struggle a bit to sell.

Despite supposedly being a "business" I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that the people ruining the club have little commercial nous.
 
I'm sure someone else has posted this but the constant ticket price rises have almost certainly had an impact. As they've crept up and up, it's not been by much each time but it's forced people to make decisions. Even though they may be able to absorb an annual increase, people have dropped Platinum or cup schemes. I certainly did.

I made a decision for a few seasons that I'd reduce my overall expenditure on tickets. I bet others have done this or else have decided to prioritise the later rounds of cup competitions, taking the chance we'd get to Wembley and saving their money for a final weekend. Some just pay for their season tickets and nothing else, and even that's a struggle for them. And by constantly putting prices up, they've not exactly encouraged casual attendees to fill the gap.

Our CEO used to run an airline (which went bust). Imagine an airline that charged £250 for a return flight but that included checked baggage and an on-board snack. Then they decide to charge for those two separately, but don't change the basic price. How many would happily pay for both extras? Only those who had no choice. You'd take hand luggage where possible and buy a sandwich to take on board with you. As the low cost airlines have shown, even charging low basic prices sees people try to cut as many corners as possible. And when you add all the charges up, it's often no more expensive to take a scheduled full-service flight where all the extras are included in the price.

Why go on a cup scheme when you've no idea how much each game will cost or when the club will take the money? Pick and choose. You might pay a few quid more per game but you'll save the money on games you don't fancy, that you can watch in the pub or in the comfort of your own armchair. If the club wants to charge people a few quid extra, via Platinum, give them a discount on a set number of cup tickets, say 50% off any 5 tickets in the first 3 rounds of the domestic cups & CL group stage instead of double points. Then you get money for Platinum and also bums on seats for games that we might ordinarily struggle a bit to sell.

Despite supposedly being a "business" I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that the people ruining the club have little commercial nous.

PB,

How do our prices compare to other clubs?
 
I think we all agree what Pep has done at City is amazing and I want him here as long as possible. He said what he said not the brightest thing to say, in my opinion, for reason I have mentioned before on here personally.
No one likes to be criticised and as my old man would say if the cap fits wear it. I dont know if it was aimed at us fans or at the club or at the fa.
In my eyes time to draw a line under it and move on from what Pep said as for ticket prices etc that's something different !!
 
The most galling part of this situation is our support was recognised as one of the most loyal in the land before the take over , now we are succesful we are the most disloyal lilly livered supporters in the land , everybody should remember success breeds contempt , our support has changed but not to the extent the media would have many believe.
The issue is plastic fans all over the world hang on every lie the media print , i was in a bar in Marbella for the Fulham game and there were four Irish Dippers convinced Pep was leaving at the end of the season , i "questoned" their opinion (actually told them they were talking a load of shite)and when i informed them we had been courting Pep for the managerial position for 5 years and the hierarchy at the club were ex-Barca and in my informed opinon, he would definitely at a minimum honour his contract. The thick Dippers didnt know any of this , just what they read in The Sun.
But that is the power of the media , fake news , lies and more lies to suit their business model and generate clicks and profits , after all they have got over a billion Rags and Dippers to please.
 

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