UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[chesterbells]

If we have the evidence, won't we have already presented it to UEFA? In which case they have either ignored it or don't believe it. Or has the punishment been handed down without us having the opportunity to present our defence?

ok, but aren’t we innocent until they prove beyond reasonable doubt we are guilty. I’m not convinced their “proof” will stand up to independent scrutiny, but we shall see.

 

[jamiecav]

I have been seriously contemplating setting up my own City news platform in recent months, as a business separate from my other commitments.

I'm still unsure if I will be able to monetize it to the extent I need, as not to be so reliant on other areas of income.

I would appreciate any feedback from Blues.

Happy to contribute with website etc.

PM me if you want

 

[chaddblue]

ok, but aren’t we innocent until they prove beyond reasonable doubt we are guilty. I’m not convinced their “proof” will stand up to independent scrutiny, but we shall see.

But have we had a hearing or meetings where they've presented the charges and we've presented our case? If we have they've kept it quiet. Surely they can't have handed down this ban, based on hacked or stolen e-mails, without giving us the chance to see the evidence and then put together our defence. If they have it sounds pretty flimsy

 

[arbabarshad]

I have been seriously contemplating setting up my own City news platform in recent months, as a business separate from my other commitments.

I'm still unsure if I will be able to monetize it to the extent I need, as not to be so reliant on other areas of income.

I would appreciate any feedback from Blues.

I posted something similar in 2017 and earlier this morning. I am happy to lead/facilitate/support the project.

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

I assume that unless CAS completely overturns the ban we will not be in the CL next season regardless of what further legal routes we take?

 

[Len Rum]

If it takes 15months for an answer what happens with our ban? Surely we cant be banned until its been approved or dismissed? If they ban us next seasin and then a year on we win the case what happens then, no doubt we would lose Pep, and a few players would leave... so do we remain in the competition until the hearing is finalised

I think when the appeal is made the judgement is frozen until the outcome is known.
Disadvantage of course is the judgement is hanging over our heads during the appeal period.

 

[Len Rum]

I assume that unless CAS completely overturns the ban we will not be in the CL next season regardless of what further legal routes we take?

I think during the appeal period the ban is frozen.
So if the appeal takes say 12 months then we will be in next season.
Unless someone knows otherwise?

 

[Luddite_Blue]

George Orwell said:
Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, disregard of all rules and sadistic pleasure in witnessing violence. In other words, it is war minus the shooting.

PB on twitter.

"A few weeks ago Ceferin was pleading with City to plead guilty to what was describe as a "technical breach" and accept a small fine. Does that sound like UEFA was sure of its ground? Not to me it doesn't and it certainly didn't to City."

My view is that we are now engaged in a dirty war. I think the cartel clubs have set a trap which UEFA has fallen into and that they have recently pressured UEFA into this decision. Furthermore, I think the cartel clubs would like to see UEFA's demise so they can negotiate individual TV deals and/or form a European superleague. It's in a sense a win-win situation for the cartel clubs - either seriously stymie our growth and gross reputational damage or we challenge this all the way (and I think we will) which could easily lead to UEFA's ruin.


So




AND FUCK THEM ALL

"We'll buy your club, we'll burn it down"

 

[Mancity1980]

Since this story broke I have deliberately avoided regular media outlets and stuck to Bluemoon for updates (I tend to do a similar thing when we lose!) but part of me is still a little curious. I don’t want to know about other fans taking the p*ss or reporters badly trying to hide their gleeful biases, but have any of you guys seen anything worth looking at ? No? Thought not.

 

[chesterbells]

But have we had a hearing or meetings where they've presented the charges and we've presented our case? If we have they've kept it quiet. Surely they can't have handed down this ban, based on hacked or stolen e-mails, without giving us the chance to see the evidence and then put together our defence. If they have it sounds pretty flimsy

Absolutely pal

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

I think during the appeal period the ban is frozen.
So if the appeal takes say 12 months then we will be in next season.
Unless someone knows otherwise?

I should have said that unless CAS overturns the ban after ruling on it then we won't feature in the following seasons CL. What I was asking was if we have any other means of delaying any ban pending another legal challenge (I highly doubt it).

If there isn't then presumably we are looking at potentially years of litigation and only a retrospective overturning of any ban and damages.

 

[hihosilva]

Happy to contribute with website etc.

PM me if you want

I can brew up

 

[SebastianBlue]

I can brew up

I can offer data analytics support for a very nominal fee. ;-)

 

[Len Rum]

ok, but aren’t we innocent until they prove beyond reasonable doubt we are guilty. I’m not convinced their “proof” will stand up to independent scrutiny, but we shall see.

Not sure.
In my opinion:
UEFA is not a court of law.
The bar to being found 'guilty' is much lower than in a court of law. They (UEFA) don't have to prove it beyond reasonable doubt.
They can find City 'guilty' if in their opinion there are reasonable grounds.
Again I'm not a lawyer, so confirmation needed!
Anyone out there?

 

[Centurions]

I should have said that unless CAS overturns the ban after ruling on it then we won't feature in the following seasons CL. What I was asking was if we have any other means of delaying any ban pending another legal challenge (I highly doubt it).

If there isn't then presumably we are looking at potentially years of litigation and only a retrospective overturning of any ban and damages.

If CAS decides in UEFA's favour we can (and I highly suspect would) take it to the Swiss courts. In which case UEFA would have to suspend the ban as the damages if we win in the Swiss courts would run into £100's of millions otherwise.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Not sure.
In my opinion:
UEFA is not a court of law.
The bar to being found 'guilty' is much lower than in a court of law. They (UEFA) don't have to prove it beyond reasonable doubt.
They can find City 'guilty' if in their opinion there are reasonable grounds.
Again I'm not a lawyer, so confirmation needed!
Anyone out there?

I can confirm UEFA is not a court of law.

 

[chesterbells]

If CAS decides in UEFA's favour we can (and I highly suspect would) take it to the Swiss courts. In which case UEFA would have to suspend the ban as the damages if we win in the Swiss courts would run into £100's of millions otherwise.

Like.

 

[Jesus2018]

And you're gonna believe us.
We're gonna win league 2!

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

If CAS decides in UEFA's favour we can (and I highly suspect would) take it to the Swiss courts. In which case UEFA would have to suspend the ban as the damages if we win in the Swiss courts would run into £100's of millions otherwise.

That sounds good but is it fact or your opinion? Has any club taken UEFA to this court previously and had sanctions suspended?

 

[bry the guy]

Our offence appears to have been identified only because Der Spiegel made certain allegations based on emails hacked by Rui Pinto. Up to this point there had been no questioning of our accounts whatsoever, either by our accountants of UEFA's auditors. It seems very strange to me that a newspaper can have provoked such a dramatic reappraisal of work already done by such reputable specialists. And yet the reexamination seems to have gone hand in hand with a total failure to ask rather basic questions such as who is "HH" actually and who is Muhammed? Nor do the IC seem to have had any clear memory of who were related parties in 2014 and who were not. What appears to stand out is UEFA's ignorance of Abu Dhabi and their complete unawareness of it. I would appreciate enlightenment on these concerns if possible PB.

Further concern is that the FFP regulations seem deliberately opaque, so that what is accepted in one year can form the basis of draconian punishments for one of the "new" clubs if necessary later. I think therefore, that City have to challenge the lawfulness of FFP in the ECJ and get it ditched once and for all.

When is the film coming out.