UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[nmc]

FIFA rather than UEFA?

Qatar needed UEFA votes. So yes WC is a fifa process but a lot of uefa officials are fifa delegates... I think.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Seriously mate, lay off the gear.

le gear.
As you were.

 

[kaz7]

I find our own accusations hard enough to keep up with. There is so much reading to be done to have yourself educated on the subject.

I really haven’t the time or inclination to keep up to the minute on all things PSG.

But Parisian does I’m sure, although why he spends his time on here defending them is anyone’s guess.

One thing’s for sure, we should all know that if we’re only relying on the usual media for PSG info without time to do the detective work, then maybe we shouldn’t jump in too quickly.


Personally unless it’s evidence of them hanging us, I don’t take much notice of their dealings with UEFA.

A seperate thread for them would be better as this one is hard enough to keep up with when there is new news

 

[BertTrautmann'sParachute]

Not sure it's a conspiracy from Conn - he's just a bit thick.

I know someone who went to school with him in Bury. Let's just say he's not renowned for his rapier-like wit.

 

[kaz7]

Its a bit crass, we can do better than that.

I like the pig banner and whistles ideas

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Isn't he on the UEFA Executive Board? Certainly calls their credibility into question, when one of them (who no doubt would have been strongly in favour of charging us) is himself on a corruption charge

Got to be additional ammunition to take to CAS

He is, but it's not really UEFA's doing.
He's a representative from the European Club Association, and has no voting rights on the UEFA Exec.
The ECA have two reps that they elect - why the ECA appointed someone under criminal investigation is an awkward question for them.

Is there any evidence that Khelaifi would want to go after City, beyond any potential Qatar/UAE national issues?

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

I like the pig banner and whistles ideas

Same here.

Wouldn't mind seeing a banner with rats as well.

 

[kaz7]

They wont know until it is displayed

Ar you going to smuggle them in in your pants lol

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

Ar you going to smuggle them in in your pants lol

Yep, not much else to fill them, so may as well

 

[Mikeegrini]

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-an-olive-branch-now-uefa-holds-all-the-power


"Following good governance practice to encourage independent application of the rules, the CFCB and its members have nothing to do with any other Uefa work, although by definition they have to be appointed by Uefaand are assisted clerically by its officials. The structure follows European governance models, with two separate panels to consider cases.

The investigatory chamber (IC) examines clubs’ financial details, and brings charges if it considers them necessary. These charges are taken to the adjudicatory chamber (AC), composed of senior European lawyers, which acts like a first court, hearing the IC’s case and City’s defence, then reaching a ruling. The right of appeal to Cas is built in, so all CFCB members know their work can ultimately be independently reviewed and publicised. But at this point Uefa, the organisation itself, with its president Aleksander Ceferin, becomes involved; it defends the rulings of its CFCB at Cas."

This is the bit that interests me....any legal experts here care to draw the distinction between this and the ECJ ruling from a couple of weeks age Re. the Football Federation of Turkey, if there is one?

 

[kaz7]

Talking about us on sky pledge,i don't know who it is but going on about arab petrodollars,it's on now,greg dyke is saying the prem are investigating us right now,UEFA not really qualified to investigate us,probably not the only club to find a way around it,most clubs are doing the same things as us

 

[SebastianBlue]

Talking about us on sky pledge,i don't know who it is but going on about arab petrodollars,it's on now,greg dyke is saying the prem are investigating us right now

They’re always investigating us, so it’s not exactly insider information.

They’ve even taken it in to matches this season!

 

[sir baconface]

Conn talking bollocks again.

It’s still all U€FA, you dissembling toe-rag.

Let’s have some comment about PSG/U€FA governance instead of dissing City every day.

 

[Parisian]

I have nothing against your club or fans, but your chairman.... I don't remember AD buying the WC, a tournament that is going to fuck the football calendar for two years. I don't remember AD buying a seat on the uefa executive committee. I don't remember AD sponsoring many of the cartel clubs to gain influence.

Ofc he bought the WC and the Athletics. You don't get to organize this without buying it. It is only more obvious because Qatar is more exotic. It has been proven Germany, South Africa, Brazil before paid for it. Qatar manages to bid for a summer WC and turned it inot a winter WC. It is too hilarious not to think they bought it.

Then, how did he buy the UEFA executive committee seat ? He has to be elected by the clubs, not UEFA. So he bought all the clubs and they kept quiet ? And this place has only become vacant because Arsenal CEO left for Milan AC (there can't be two representatives from the same football association and Juventus chairman had already a seat). Did he pay Gazidis so that he goes to Milan in order to get the seat ? There is nothing to prove that unless your intimate belief.

Who is Nasser sponsoring to gain influence ? Qatar is on bad term with Barça. Qatar sponsors Roma (hardly a cartel club), Bayern (cartel club), FIFA, Boca and PSG. This is some influence they have got from sponsoring those clubs ! Meanwhile Emirates from Dubaï is sponsoring AC Milan, Real Madrid, Arsenal FC, SL Benfica, Hamburger SV, Olympique Lyonnais, and Olympiacos FC. Qatar sponsoring doesn't seem out of order and is in fact inferior to Emirates sponsoring.

What i am disputing is people blindly believing PSG escaped without a scratch thanks to Leterme while we actually got hit financially. We lost 42 M€ from QTA and we lost again dozens of millions on our other contracts. If UEFA tells you your Etihad deal is worth 40 M ( and some dozens on Etisalat and Aabar) and you have to find the difference to balance your book, is it a total win in your book ? Will you say that Leterme has been bribed by City ? And again, the difficult part of City sanction is the alleged breach of the financial situation reporting, not simply the inflated value of your deal. So if you think PSG should have got done while complying, you shouldn't complain about City ban by your metrics.

If i was to mirror your statement, i could say : I have nothing against your club or fans but your owners... I don't remember PSG executives exchanging emails about selling the image rights to a company, which is actually owned by our owners. I don't remember PSG paying their coach with some bonus coming from a middle east club (Mancini). I don't remember PSG executives saying that QNB will pay 3 M while QSI or the Emir will top it. Etc.

Personnally, i believe City will prevail but if the CAS is judging City with prejudice, the same way you are judging PSG (with often wrong facts that i happily debunks with links),

 

[Parisian]

FIFA rather than UEFA?

People are mixing everything together and then form their judgement. This is what we call prejudice.

I appreciate you meant to make a point about double standards being used to assess the same reporter’s articles about City and PSG, but just be careful you don’t fall in to the WUM pit whilst doing it.

Blues on here may sometimes be less than accommodating of more nuanced opinions from supporters of other clubs, and may go a bit too far in expressing their objections at times, but this is a City forum, so you should know that will be the potential treatment when coming on here, the same as for a City supporter going on to a PSG fan forum.

We’ll tidy things up if responses are OTT but you should also be careful not to intentionally instigate them with inflammatory posts like the original version of the above, as well.

Thanks in advance for your consideration.

Oh, thank you for the remarks.

To be honest, i'm not trying to WUM. To be honest, i don't even know what it means but i got the meaning is like trolling.

I'm just using their own logic to show them the flaw of it. I came here first and foremost because i felt both PSG and City were unfairly chased by FFP and i still have that feeling. Even being attacked or not by City fans, i still believe City did nothing wrong and i hope City will get the whole thing trashed one way or another.

 

[kaz7]

They’re always investigating us, so it’s not exactly insider information.

They’ve even taken it in to matches this season!

I thought he was pretty measured all thing considered,i don't who the who the other guy was,carol malone asked him why it matters where the money comes from,he kind of brushed over that bit ha

 

[Kakhaber The Great]

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-an-olive-branch-now-uefa-holds-all-the-power

Whoa. Nothing gets past Conn does it. He's way too sharp for us.

 

[Kenward Garg]

City will nver let us do that

A shame that and something the club could maybe look at?

 

[SebastianBlue]

People are mixing everything together and then form their judgement. This is what we call prejudice.

Oh, thank you for the remarks.

To be honest, i'm not trying to WUM. To be honest, i don't even know what it means but i got the meaning is like trolling.

I'm just using their own logic to show them the flaw of it. I came here first and foremost because i felt both PSG and City were unfairly chased by FFP and i still have that feeling. Even being attacked or not by City fans, i still believe City did nothing wrong and i hope City will get the whole thing trashed one way or another.

I believe you when you say why you are on here — you are generally one of our better non-Blue posters.

You just need to be more careful with the way you make your arguments and/or react to blues’ responses to them.

If you see something that is over the over the top, report it like any other poster should. Mods will look at it and decide whether it deserves action.

Just don’t reply in kind, because it just leads to more drastic action needing to be taken all-around and I would hate to see that, as I think having genuinely decent, knowledgable supporters of other clubs on here to give non-City focused views is a great thing for the forum.

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

Ofc he bought the WC and the Athletics. You don't get to organize this without buying it. It is only more obvious because Qatar is more exotic. It has been proven Germany, South Africa, Brazil before paid for it. Qatar manages to bid for a summer WC and turned it inot a winter WC. It is too hilarious not to think they bought it.

Then, how did he buy the UEFA executive committee seat ? He has to be elected by the clubs, not UEFA. So he bought all the clubs and they kept quiet ? And this place has only become vacant because Arsenal CEO left for Milan AC (there can't be two representatives from the same football association and Juventus chairman had already a seat). Did he pay Gazidis so that he goes to Milan in order to get the seat ? There is nothing to prove that unless your intimate belief.

Who is Nasser sponsoring to gain influence ? Qatar is on bad term with Barça. Qatar sponsors Roma (hardly a cartel club), Bayern (cartel club), FIFA, Boca and PSG. This is some influence they have got from sponsoring those clubs ! Meanwhile Emirates from Dubaï is sponsoring AC Milan, Real Madrid, Arsenal FC, SL Benfica, Hamburger SV, Olympique Lyonnais, and Olympiacos FC. Qatar sponsoring doesn't seem out of order and is in fact inferior to Emirates sponsoring.

What i am disputing is people blindly believing PSG escaped without a scratch thanks to Leterme while we actually got hit financially. We lost 42 M€ from QTA and we lost again dozens of millions on our other contracts. If UEFA tells you your Etihad deal is worth 40 M ( and some dozens on Etisalat and Aabar) and you have to find the difference to balance your book, is it a total win in your book ? Will you say that Leterme has been bribed by City ? And again, the difficult part of City sanction is the alleged breach of the financial situation reporting, not simply the inflated value of your deal. So if you think PSG should have got done while complying, you shouldn't complain about City ban by your metrics.

If i was to mirror your statement, i could say : I have nothing against your club or fans but your owners... I don't remember PSG executives exchanging emails about selling the image rights to a company, which is actually owned by our owners. I don't remember PSG paying their coach with some bonus coming from a middle east club (Mancini). I don't remember PSG executives saying that QNB will pay 3 M while QSI or the Emir will top it. Etc.

Personnally, i believe City will prevail but if the CAS is judging City with prejudice, the same way you are judging PSG (with often wrong facts that i happily debunks with links),

Did PSG get banned for a couple of years ?