COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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I can tell you one thing this self isolation is totally bollox must be at least 4 people coughing in my office yet they are still in work! Wtf
 
Tricky_Trev said:
It’s a bloody tough call either way. Our government is taking the approach that when other countries relax their lockdowns it’s just going to happen again and they still won’t have immunity.

For the UK, it is our outright plan to get most people infected, to protect us when it comes back next year and the year after.

No idea if we are going to be proven right or proven spectacularly wrong. Only time will tell. It’s all very overwhelming, thinking about what’s going to happen.
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The German Govt stated they expect 80% of their population to be infected so I am not convinced our approach is that different if we also factor in that we are on a different timeline to continental Europe. The current lockdowns in Europe are about slowing that spread and trying to avoid overwhelming the system as it did in North Italy.

Some of the population are starting to self isolate where possible, cancellation of events is happening and businesses are moving to working from home where it is feasible so Govt advice is perhaps behind the curve when compared to what we are doing in reality.

I disagree with keeping schools open but again Europe is only just starting to do this so we are not that out of line if you consider the different timelines.

If we continue to be out of sync with the rest of Europe then you have to wonder why and also begs the question do the rest of Europe then start to put travel restrictions on us. With countries in close proximity it makes sense to have a coordinated approach.
 
Blu1 said:
I can tell you one thing this self isolation is totally bollox must be at least 4 people coughing in my office yet they are still in work! Wtf
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I suppose it technically has to be a new and persistent cough. If it is in their situations then they are cünts.
 
This virus is live in the air and on surfaces so no matter how diligent you are if its around you are at high risk to get it.

Playing games irrespective of whether people are in attendance or not will put more players and staff and other attendees at risk.

it will quickly spread through all clubs and the only good news to date is that it is a mild virus compared to those that invade your blood stream , make you bleed inside and result in your vital organs shutting down.
 
TCIB said:
It has hit Ghana, Africa was always going to suffer badly from the virus and this news sadly may mark the beginning of that.
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The thing is I don't even know how much of it they'll be able to report.
 
Interview with our ambassador in the UK, if you're interested.
 
Ban-jani said:
And what happens once the lockdown finishes?

I put it to you to explain what will happen in these countries when the virus is still present and everyone is allowed to go to work and to continue their lives?
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All of these countries have greater previous experience with outbreaks and also have better systems in place to cope. To be honest I would be wary of dismissing their approach given their greater experience and capacity to manage the problem.
 
TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
'This nonsense is all around'! Really. Give me a link to these figures that isn't a newspaper .. go on.
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If you take the time to visit Tricky Trevs post earlier today, he was mentioning an interview and quoted some comments from it. I don't read newspapers, and if you cared to back track on any of my previous comments in this thread you'll find that I rarely mention anything other than my own thoughts. I don't hug around the figures and graphs usually presented because, when all said and done, they are all 'best' guess no matter the brain capacity that have come up with them. Some can be highly persuasive and yet get blown apart by an unknown or omitted results that weren't deemed to have had an influence when compiling them. I'm not going to further respond. But I will say that you really should not try and encapsulate people into a bracket that you've dreamt up for them, without first giving someone the benefit of the doubt, it may cause less frustrations in the future...how ever long that future may be. Thanks for having taken the time out to read what I've posted, sorry if it doesn't align with your opinion, that's life, as they say. Take care.
 
Ban-jani said:
You don’t because you have your agenda against the government. There’s nothing they could do that would please you and you’ll no doubt blame every single negative aspect of this on them.

The QT guy is the only guy being trotted out, he’s also been in the Guardian attacking them.

Why is it just him being repeatedly given the platform? Where are these other experts?
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I have good reason to mistrust our current Government but I won't go into that again here.

But to be fair, I mistrust all Governments. I believe it is a healthy and intelligent thing to question those that set themselves to rule over us.

As for the guy on QT he is former Head of Public Health Professor John Ashton. Now he may have an agenda that we don't know about but those working for the Government may also clearly be similarly influenced, we just don't know.

The UK media largely follow the Government line (with good reason) but it doesn't take much research to discover dissenting voices to the Government's approach. I am not going to do it for you.

My logic tells me that the approach of the UK Government is wrong but clearly I cannot know for sure and whilst I have little faith in their abilities I don't see any upside in deliberately fucking this up.
 
Marvin said:
The British government argument is that society needs the immunity from infections otherwise we will get repeated infections.

They say this explicitly. It's logical, but falls if a society locks down and then survives free of infection.

Logically though in a connected world what is to stop repeated infections? Nothing. And yet China remains effectively Covid19 free. The most populous place on the world. It can be done. Or maybe we should wait some more.
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But we don't need the population to build up immunity. We just need to stop as many people as is humanly possible from dying unnecessarily, until such time as a vaccine is available. A vaccine WILL be available. I am hearing we are close already and that it will soon be available for animal testing and then trials and approvals and I am guessing it will be fast tracked to the greatest extent possible. We could be looking at early next year for limited supplies for the highest risk groups and the ramping up throughout 2021.

The idea that this year we have to let the whole thing run right through the population before a vaccine arrives, seems absolutely bonkers to me. It is entirely contrary to what the Chinese seem to have done very successfully. Does anyone imagine that if there's another outbreak in another major Chinese region sometime soon, it will somehow end up being WORSE than in Yuhan? No chance. They will nip it in the bud and it will be much, much better.

Net net, the Chinese are going to end 2020 with perhaps less than 5k dead and we - a small nation with 1/20th of the population - seem to be heading for many, many multiples of that, and think this is a good plan? I am staggered to be honest.
 
Super David Silva 21 said:
If, and it's a big if we have to shut down everything for a period of time. Shops, pubs etc then should we be fore warned for those who haven't been panic buying goods??
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Guys, I don't know if you've noticed from what your correspondents in Italy have said, but there's no panic buying here lol. Food stores (and food shops) are open, farms are a-working and so are factories.
You can go outside and buy food and useful stuff as you usually do.
There's no need to ridicule yourselves with panic buying that causes more harm than good.
 
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