COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Ban-jani]

Exactly the 3.4% includes every one. Take out those over 70 and it drops to about the same level as normal flu.

20-39 year olds is 0.2% I’ve just read.

Up to 60 it’s 1%.

Only those already ill or with very bad asthma/other breathing illnesses are at mortal risk.

That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t act as we need to protect the elderly and the ill too.

 

[Ban-jani]

The 3.4% state’s by WHO is of everyone that gets it. If you’re old AND have underlying health issues, it’s a great deal higher than that and approaching 20-30%.

If you’re under 20 then it’s likely no more fatal than Flu.

Many under 20 either simply don’t get it or don’t even show symptoms.

 

[Uffa]

Well they didn’t with SARS as it wasn’t as contagious, with this they will need it, it ain’t going to go away by closing schools and stopping going out, it will slow it down at best and it will pop up and spread somewhere else with no restrictions. This plan B won’t last long. The only logical thing to do is what has already been briefed to Boris by the sound of it (his 80% of people will get it comments), quarantine the vulnerable and crack on and make sure there is enough vaccine for vulnerable when it’s ready.

Everyone not working isn’t an option is it?

They didn't with SARS because the epidemic died down before they could develop a vaccine.
I assure you everyone knows a vaccine is the best option and they're working on it, unfortunately it takes time especially to test it.

 

[SWP's back]

Exactly the 3.4% includes every one. Take out those over 70 and it drops to about the same level as normal flu.

No it doesn’t pal. Flu is 0.1% (across all of those that get it - including young and old, again with the oldest worst affected).

Covid-19 so far:

AGEDEATH RATE

*80+ years old 14.8%
70-79 years old 8.0%
60-69 years old 3.6%
50-59 years old 1.3%
40-49 years old 0.4%
30-39 years old 0.2%
20-29 years old 0.2%
10-19 years old 0.2%
0-9 years old no fatalities

at best it’s twice as deadly (if you’re under 40) against the average Flu fatality rate - which would of course be comparing apples with oranges as Flu’s 0.1% fatality rate includes all the age ranges as well.

To compare apples with apples then it’s 3.4% vs 0.1% so far.

Then there’s underlying health conditions which raise your chances as well (or lower them depending on your point of view):

PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONDEATH RATE*

Cardiovascular disease 10.5%
Diabetes 7.3%
Chronic respiratory disease 6.3%
Hypertension 6.0%
Cancer 5.6%

 

[squirtyflower]

Making jokes about loaves of bread isn't slagging people off.

The thread has criticised those bulk buying leaving others unable to get basic hygiene products not about being prepared and sensible.

It also offered sage advice about hosing your arse, fanny and balls to save paper

People fighting over bog roll deserve to be laughed at tbf.

I’ve not said anyone is slagging people off.
Ive said its an odd world where the prudent are criticised by the unwise. That was it. I don’t understand why you have your red knickers in a twist (not football related)/
Actually the latest dismissive posters buzzing around a tweet over someone buying hand wash.
‘What a ****’, ‘how selfish’ they cried, without any context.
The guy may have been a selfish ****, or he may have been buying stuff for his employees when they came into work which in turns protects their customers.

But no, as always lets err on the humanity of it and call him a ****.
I’m not really arsed about the opinions of those who ignore the evidence in front of them because they clearly know better, and you can’t discuss this with a zealot with little brain capacity to actually think.

 

[SWP's back]

Exactly the 3.4% includes every one. Take out those over 70 and it drops to about the same level as normal flu.

I just want to repeat this so we are on the same page:

3.4% Covid across the population of those infected

0.1% Flu across the population of this infected.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

No it does pal. Flu is 0.1% (across all of those that get it - including young and old, again with the oldest worst affected).

Covid-19 so far:

AGEDEATH RATE

*80+ years old 14.8%
70-79 years old 8.0%
60-69 years old 3.6%
50-59 years old 1.3%
40-49 years old 0.4%
30-39 years old 0.2%
20-29 years old 0.2%
10-19 years old 0.2%
0-9 years old no fatalities

at best it’s twice as deadly (if you’re under 40) against the average Flu fatality rate - which would of course be comparing apples with oranges as Flu’s 0.1% fatality rate includes all the age ranges as well.

To compare apples with apples then it’s 3.4% vs 0.1% so far.

Then there’s underlying health conditions which raise your chances as well (or lower them depending on your point of view):

PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONDEATH RATE*

Cardiovascular disease 10.5%
Diabetes 7.3%
Chronic respiratory disease 6.3%
Hypertension 6.0%
Cancer 5.6%

It's about the same really for healthy young and mid aged people. There isnt a signifciant difference, it's not orders of magnitude and no doubt the figures are not that accurate as yet as many people don't even go to the doc's with normal flu. It's posts like this that cause the panic the media are causing imo.

 

[urban genie]

I’ve not said anyone is slagging people off.
Ive said its an odd world where the prudent are criticised by the unwise. That was it. I don’t understand why you have your red knickers in a twist (not football related)/
Actually the latest dismissive posters buzzing around a tweet over someone buying hand wash.
‘What a ****’, ‘how selfish’ they cried, without any context.
The guy may have been a selfish ****, or he may have been buying stuff for his employees when they came into work which in turns protects their customers.

But no, as always lets err on the humanity of it and call him a ****.
I’m not really arsed about the opinions of those who ignore the evidence in front of them because they clearly know better, and you can’t discuss this with a zealot with little brain capacity to actually think.

My blue knickers are firmlly untwisted, and people are not being unwise, some are being reasonable and understand everybody will need the same items so why take then all and leave others with none.

That is what a decent society would do think of each other.

I also agree those that are not even bothering to do anything and not washing hands, covering their mouths when coughing/sneezing are equally, in my eyes as selfish as those hoarding.

Buy what you need and for some it will be bulk for familes and offices, but fighting over toilet rolls is ridiculous.


Also offices will have suppliers who they get toilet roll and probably sanitizer from.

 

[SWP's back]

It's about the same really for healthy people. There isnt a signifciant difference, it's not orders of magnitude and no doubt the figures are not that accurate as yet as many people don't even go to the doc's with normal flu. It's posts like this that cause the panic the media are causing imo.

Oh my fucking God!!

of course there’s a significant difference. The 0.1% for Flu is across EVERYONE THAT IS INFECTED just like the 3.4% for Covid-19 is.

So if you’re under 40 and get Flu, you don’t have a 0.1% of dying, you have a 0.01% chance of dying (compared with 0.2% of Covid-19, more than double an order of magnitude).

It is at least an order of magnitude more lethal. I don’t know any other way of explaining this to you, you can’t compare under 40’s with Covid-19 against the “whole population” that gets Flu and say they’re comparable. They’re not.

It’s posts like yours that are so fucking frustrating because you don’t understand maths, epidemiology, fatality rates across demographics and, it seems, basic English comprehension.

Italy are not plunging themselves into a recession for something only as lethal as the fucking Flu.

 

[bluemonkey71]

My word there is some unhappy people in here today