Because the result is what matters in the end, the result is what's easier to remember. Winners write history and all that. Same in football really, if you win a match you're more likely to judge your team's errors less harshly. Same will happen for countries in this pandemic.
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It really is and any of the ‘it’s just the flu’ brigade need to be made to watch it
Last time I came off (forgot my tablets on a conference) I called in for a test at a pharmacy and the pharmacist checked the machine on himself as I was over 200 and I still looked ok.
Thanks to whoever posted the clinical advice. You've eased my mind about something I didn't know I should be worried about!
DRINKLEVEDRY
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Watched it yesterday so sad.
kevin horlocks wand
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I have just played in our winter final. Club house closed . Cant touch the flags or anyone else ball or scorecard .post in to pro shop at end
I am so shit plenty of social distancing,!
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The flattening in the rise of new cases over the last two days says you're wrong.
M18CTID
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No doubt this will get worse before it gets better, but that’s a big statement of yours when you look at the figures for other countries around Europe - figures that are showing few signs of abating. Even Germany’s are rocketing and that country can do no wrong in the eyes of some.
jimharri
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Just spotted this on twitter...
Wow.
Wow.
give it to gordon
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Just back from trying to do our weekly shop same as last week NO pasta, bake bins, eggs, loo roll, meat.
When are people that work 8 till 5 , 5 days a week meant to get food etc ?
When are people that work 8 till 5 , 5 days a week meant to get food etc ?
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Gabriel
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No idea who he is, but he demonstrates, twice, that he doesn't know what sensible means.
jimharri
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One of Hereford's finest....
I had no idea who he was so I just googled his name and turns out he's a former soldier. A former soldier who doesn't even know the main objective soldiers should try to achieve.
But then I also read he's made a career on tv with realities so I wasn't that surprised anymore.
jay_mcfc
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I don’t even know where to begin with this.
Maybe actually look at all the info available before waxing lyrical about the government.
then you clearly don’t appreciate what it’s like to look after a 5 year old.
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They being who? Boris? The Cabinet?
Wrong it's SAGE the government scientific support in emergencies network that expands to include universities and other scientific institutions.
Oh and the input data didnt relect the current situation data from Italy. So it was changed.
Nice try not no cigar.
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It's not been much better during the days, tbh.
There's no real emergency going forward. The shops will stay open, and we have months upon months of supplies in the country. Being patient is the best idea.
gordondaviesmoustache
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Johnson’s had incredible luck in the last few years, and fair play to him (****).
Let’s hope it continues as I get the feeling this is a fucking lottery, in terms of timing it right.
Let’s hope it continues as I get the feeling this is a fucking lottery, in terms of timing it right.
The Light Was Yellow Sir
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The following is what I have been trying to say for the last week or two, but explained in a much better than I’ve been putting it, I rather suspect.
“The figures for coronavirus are eye-watering. But what is not clear - because the modellers did not map this - is to what extent the deaths would have happened without coronavirus.
Of course, this will never truly be known until the pandemic is over, which is why modelling is very difficult and needs caveats.
But given that the old and frail are the most vulnerable, would these people be dying anyway?
Every year more than 500,000 people die in England and Wales: factor in Scotland and Northern Ireland, and the figure tops 600,000.
The coronavirus deaths will not be on top of this. Many would be within this "normal" number of expected deaths. In short, they would have died anyway.
It was a point conceded by Sir Patrick at a press conference on Thursday when he said there would be "some overlap" between coronavirus deaths and expected deaths - he just did not know how much of an overlap.
In contrast, the figure he gave for flu deaths to MPs - 8,000 - is different. It is actually the number of deaths over and above what you would expect to happen in any given year.
Many more die with flu, but the figure gives you an indication of how many more die because of flu, whereas the 20,000, 250,000 and 500,000 figures for coronavirus are simply the number of deaths linked to coronavirus.
The testing which has been done in many countries means we know when a patient dies with the virus inside their body. What it does not tell us is to what extent coronavirus contributed to the death.
There are, of course, other factors at play here. Left unchecked, the deaths would come very quickly.
The 500,000 deaths could all occur in the UK by August, the modellers said.
This in itself would overwhelm the health service - if they were right - putting even more lives at risk, because care would not be available for others.
But there is certainly evidence to suggest the modellers have underestimated the ability of the NHS to increase intensive care capacity.
What else has not been done is a proper assessment of the economic and social costs of the measures taken, which themselves will put lives and health at risk.
As we get deeper into this crisis, we will need much greater intelligence on just how many lives are truly being saved, and compare that to the wider cost to society, so the government and the public can weigh up the best course of action”.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654
“The figures for coronavirus are eye-watering. But what is not clear - because the modellers did not map this - is to what extent the deaths would have happened without coronavirus.
Of course, this will never truly be known until the pandemic is over, which is why modelling is very difficult and needs caveats.
But given that the old and frail are the most vulnerable, would these people be dying anyway?
Every year more than 500,000 people die in England and Wales: factor in Scotland and Northern Ireland, and the figure tops 600,000.
The coronavirus deaths will not be on top of this. Many would be within this "normal" number of expected deaths. In short, they would have died anyway.
It was a point conceded by Sir Patrick at a press conference on Thursday when he said there would be "some overlap" between coronavirus deaths and expected deaths - he just did not know how much of an overlap.
In contrast, the figure he gave for flu deaths to MPs - 8,000 - is different. It is actually the number of deaths over and above what you would expect to happen in any given year.
Many more die with flu, but the figure gives you an indication of how many more die because of flu, whereas the 20,000, 250,000 and 500,000 figures for coronavirus are simply the number of deaths linked to coronavirus.
The testing which has been done in many countries means we know when a patient dies with the virus inside their body. What it does not tell us is to what extent coronavirus contributed to the death.
There are, of course, other factors at play here. Left unchecked, the deaths would come very quickly.
The 500,000 deaths could all occur in the UK by August, the modellers said.
This in itself would overwhelm the health service - if they were right - putting even more lives at risk, because care would not be available for others.
But there is certainly evidence to suggest the modellers have underestimated the ability of the NHS to increase intensive care capacity.
What else has not been done is a proper assessment of the economic and social costs of the measures taken, which themselves will put lives and health at risk.
As we get deeper into this crisis, we will need much greater intelligence on just how many lives are truly being saved, and compare that to the wider cost to society, so the government and the public can weigh up the best course of action”.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654
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