COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Nice to see you two competing in your own version of university challenge whilst the rest of us thick fuckers play tiddlywinks (*_*).

We’re here to help.

 

[squirtyflower]

Really think there should be a seperate hot line to report on groups like this.

Yep, suggested this morning after we passed three school aged girls walking next to one another, all of them on their phones and one moaning she was bored already, fucking hell after one day?
The cunts didn’t move an inch when we tried to get past, ignorant twats.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

They should just both fuck off and PM one another.

We do that all the time, usually to mock other people’s grammar.

 

[blueparrot]

80% of the last two years accounts like everyone else , done .

For everyone that’s self employed , or would you need to prove that your business is completely stopped ? For example my shop and cafe is closed, yet the butchers, bakers, fishmonger, green grocer are open but at the moment doing pretty well as shoppers switch from the supermarket.

 

[squirtyflower]

We’ve only been on lockdown for 11-12 days so we still have a few days left before seeing any change.

I did see that The Who say it’s an average of about 10 days to die but can take up to 22 days.

The other thing to note about Spain is that according to worldometer they have 38,000 active cases with a current death rate of almost 40% so it’s gonna be an absolute tragic week here.

We have to cross our fingers that the peak is reached within 7 days I would imagine.

Keep safe

 

[paulchapo]

She was included in the daily figures as having underlying health issues,i think people need to ignore that phrase now and everyone be careful

True, it's a new and unpredictable virus and will hit people differently.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Big increase in deaths in Scotaland today from 16 yesterday to 22 today. Thats 37 5%. Let's hope that's an outrider.

 

[kaz7]

The number of deaths from coronavirus in the UK has risen to 435 after further fatalities were confirmed in Scotland and Wales.

Six more deaths in Scotland take the total toll there to 22, and First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has said there are 51 people now in intensive care who have been diagnosed with COVID-19 or are suspected to have it.

Wales has announced five more coronavirus deaths, also taking its total to 22.

NHS England announced 83 deaths from COVID-19 on Tuesday and it will update its tally later on Wednesday - and new figures are also expected from Northern Ireland

 

[denislawsbackheel]

From the article linked...

"Getting vaccinated against the flu is important, too, because a coronavirus outbreak that strikes in the middle of a flu epidemic is much more likely to overwhelm hospitals and increases the odds that the coronavirus goes undetected. This was probably a factor in Italy, a country with a strong anti-vaccine movement, he said."

Also, please note that I said "could"...

I am a supporter of vaccines but also am aware they are not the all protecting answer many think they are. This years flu vaccine for instance is showing effectiveness for 45% of the people that receive it. If you are over 65 you need between a double and quadruple dose compared to under 65s.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6907a1.htm

 

[super_city_si]

The USA is in major trouble. They currently have 55,000 active cases with a current death rate of 67% (albeit on a small sample scale so far). They’re not expecting to reach the peak for another 2-3 weeks, by which point we may well be look at 6 figures. Absolutely tragic.

And yet theg claim 143 new cases yesterday. ONLY 143? I wouldn't be surprised if they start to suppress testing and the the numbers to make it ok for Trump to open everything up at Easter. Theres no way they only had 143 new cases

 

[BlueAnorak]

Big increase in deaths in Scotaland today from 16 yesterday to 22 today. Thats 37 5%. Let's hope that's an outrider.

5 deaths in wales from 17 yesterday to 22 today so thats 29%. So maybe not that much of an outrider.

 

[jay_mcfc]

If there are 38000 cases and 3000 are critical I don’t see how the death rate would be 40% of the active cases otherwise the critical case number would be over 15000. Unless Im missing something.

Sadly I think 99% of the critical ones will die. It seems like there are very few cases of people leaving icu. On that SKY news video in Italy the doctor there said they hadn't had one person survive from intensive care. I also saw a video yesterday of the first person in a Valencia hospital to leave icu and it was a big occasion with all the doctors and nurses giving them a sanding ovation as they left.

So the figures are probably correct.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

We’re both self isolating until the 14 day window is closed from our contact with this couple, which means we can go out on Saturday.

WHO says it can take 24 days...

 

[blueparrot]

And yet theg claim 143 new cases yesterday. ONLY 143? I wouldn't be surprised if they start to suppress testing and the the numbers to make it ok for Trump to open everything up at Easter. Theres no way they only had 143 new cases

11075 they show for yesterday, todays is 150 but they update figures all day I guess as each state reports.

 

[1.618034]

I am a supporter of vaccines but also am aware they are not the all protecting answer many think they are. This years flu vaccine for instance is showing effectiveness for 45% of the people that receive it. If you are over 65 you need between a double and quadruple dose compared to under 65s.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6907a1.htm

Even less effective if many don't take it. A vaccine not only protects the individual, it also helps slow the spread around the population.

Again, I'm not saying this is the cause, but I think it's worth discussing and shows why the anti-vaxxer movement is dangerous.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

80% of the last two years accounts like everyone else , done .

times says it will exclude anyone retired on a pension running a self employed business.

 

[jay_mcfc]

We may well be in trouble Jay but those numbers are not correct. 55k active cases and 802 deaths. Half of those cases are in NY state. The number of active cases is presumed to be much higher because we are only testing those with severe symptoms. Everyone else is just isolating (or should be).

Here's the stats on the USA from worldometer.

55,000 active cases

1164 of which have ended with;

785 deaths

369 recovered

It's a very small sample size compared with 55k cases but it doesn't make good reading.

Good luck and stay safe

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

 

[blueparrot]

Sadly I think 99% of the critical ones will die. It seems like there are very few cases of people leaving icu. On that SKY news video in Italy the doctor there said they hadn't had one person survive from intensive care. I also saw a video yesterday of the first person in a Valencia hospital to leave icu and it was a big occasion with all the doctors and nurses giving them a sanding ovation as they left.

So the figures are probably correct.

Yes so that would be as it stands 99% of the 3000 critical cases, which is 7% of the 38000 active cases die not 40% , sorry if I’m being a bit thick here.

 

[George Hannah]

bit more from the article and comments

"...the researchers suggest that the vast majority of people who contract Covid-19 may suffer little or no illness. They believe that as few as one in a thousand could require hospital treatment — an assumption that suggests, according to their model, that half of the country could now be immune...Even if it’s one in a hundred [who fall seriously ill] you still get to 35 per cent immunity,” Sunetra Gupta, a professor of theoretical epidemiology at Oxford, who led the study, said.
Jonathan Ball, professor of molecular virology at the University of Nottingham, urged that serological tests begin but said: “This is interesting work, but hampered by the same issues that impact all epidemiological models — they rely on assumptions based on a paucity of fact about how this virus transmits.”
The findings are based on assumptions about the most likely characteristics of the disease and are yet to be peer-reviewed or published in a journal."

Comment - Extremely unlikely that 50% of the population are already infected. We can’t disprove this of course but if we take the lowest case fatality rate of 1 in 1000 (from figures from areas all over the world) then we could have 30000 deaths - a disastrous tsunami of cases and deaths facing the NHS and the nation in a matter of weeks. The more realistic assessment is the UCL prediction that 10% of London’s population could/would be infected.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Sadly I think 99% of the critical ones will die. It seems like there are very few cases of people leaving icu. On that SKY news video in Italy the doctor there said they hadn't had one person survive from intensive care. I also saw a video yesterday of the first person in a Valencia hospital to leave icu and it was a big occasion with all the doctors and nurses giving them a sanding ovation as they left.

So the figures are probably correct.

I think that would be unlikely or we wouldn't be in panic mode over the lack of ventilators. If they were 99% unsuccessful, then I am not sure we'd even being considering them as a viable treatment option. I could believe maybe 50% of people on ventilators don't make it, but not 99%.