COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[i8rags]

I am but don't tell the dibble. Have just spotted i8rags and he's wearing a united shirt. How ironic

I didn’t want to stand out, undercover best policy, especially with the plod on here.

 

[blueparrot]

Wonder how many people up and down the country will stop going next season cause of this

IMO very few , most I know can’t wait to get back to our old lives. For me football, gigs, restaurants and holidays. Not sure why anyone would sacrifice something they love to make some sort of point as we’ve seen lifes too short and fragile.

 

[mac]

I am missing watching City but football cannot be rushed back. It will still survive, it will be different but I hope it will change for the better. There are going to be casualties of all types. There are millions of pounds to be lost or won but as other posters have said what, about other industries. The sports and entertainment business would not even be in the top 10 of industries in staff or turnover. We run a small pub. We have just received 10k grant money. We have had to throw 8 barrels of beer that were open. We have food and snacks which wont sell so we will donate to charity. Our outgoings are still about 2k a month. My personal savings will be gone to try and keep us going till this is over. Once it is over sky, bt the BBC will never get another penny off me. The same as the likes of direct sports, Branson, weatherspoons. I hope our highstreet gets a new leese of live. So fuck with let's play football behind closed doors it will be good for moral shit. What will be good for my moral if our pub could open soon. But it ain't fucking happening. Keep safe.

 

[DrBlueBob]

I know my little jaunt down to Newquay was make believe but seriously there are people like that about.Please stay at home,most of you will have a garden however small.

Thanks, it was to highlight people's stupidity not to offend or upset anyone. Anything to lighten the mood

So you've got some tabs left over then? Make believe or not I got an adrenaline spike during the car chase.

 

[squirtyflower]

Would that be just while they are playing behind closed doors, and then would you start going again when the doors are opened. ?

No

 

[Nellies left peg]

So you've got some tabs left over then? Make believe or not I got an adrenaline spike during the car chase.

A few cans of cider thrown out the back window soon saw the dibble off

 

[squirtyflower]

The things you mentioned will be open before football resumes. You can keep watching re-runs of murder she wrote then whilst we enjoy football back on TV.

Thank you for the gratuitous put down, expected to be honest.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

These two articles caught my eye today on the issue of herd immunity and the subject of probable and actual infections numbers. Austrian numbers and the health care workers showing much lower levels of infection than people had anticipated. Both articles abbreviated but of correct would suggest that the virus has a higher mortality rate than we have predicting and this herd immunity seems like a much more remote option. Granted not the best scientific experiment at this stage but seems a lot closer than numbers being banded around on BM of probable infection rates currently.

Austria Prediction study

The principle of “herd immunity”, at one stage touted by the UK government as a possible solution to the coronavirus outbreak, has taken an apparent blow after a study in Austria found less than 1% of the population is infected with coronavirus.

The first such study in continental Europe, led by pollster SORA which is known for projecting election results, aimed to provide a clearer picture of the total number of infections, given gaps in testing, Reuters reports.

“Based on this study, we believe that 0.33% of the population in Austria was acutely infected in early April,” SORA co-founder Christoph Hofinger told a news conference. Given the margin of error, the figure was 95% likely to be between 0.12% and 0.76%.

Sebastian Kurz, Austria’s chancellor, whose government commissioned the study and saw initial findings a few days ago, said on Monday that the rate of infection was around 1%. He said that disproved the idea of herd immunity - which requires widespread infection - as a viable policy option.

UK healthworkers

Fewer than one in five healthcare workers who suspected they had coronavirus actually tested positive for the disease, according to one of the first published UK studies of mass testing on NHS workers.

Scientists from Sheffield, which started testing all symptomatic healthcare workers a fortnight before much of the rest of the UK, have published research showing that 81% of staff reporting symptoms tested negative.

Some 1,533 staff were tested over the two weeks from 17 March. Of these, just 282 (18%) tested positive. Five (< 1%) had an indeterminate result.

 

[squirtyflower]

If you're advocating canceling the football season and starting again when fans can go back, you're running the risk of a lot of clubs going under and complete financial chaos in football. I don't know the financial consequences tbh but I have heard that broadcasting money and sponsorships would be at threat.

Hell Marvin, I’m more concerned about my own financial ruin and the people I know and work with.
If a football club goes to the wall because of this it doesn’t compare one bit to those that have lost their lives.
Something will replace the football club, who’s going to replace the dead?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Hell Martin, I’m more concerned about my own financial ruin and the people I know and work with.
If a football club goes to the wall because of this it doesn’t compare one bit to those that have lost their lives.
Something will replace the football club, who’s going to replace the dead?

Who’s Martin?

 

[squirtyflower]

You could argue this for all sports tho. Plenty of people don't care about football. The rest of my household wouldn't care if another ball was never kicked again.
What about rugby? Both codes, clubs are facing same problems, get those leagues restarted too, all players tested whilst nurses still can't?
Cricket, horse racing, hockey, netball, etc
The easiest to get going would probably be golf, no caddies, one at a time.

It’s the self importance of football, it’s fans and it’s media, that holds no bounds it seems. It matters more.

 

[Chippy_boy]

“Based on this study, we believe that 0.33% of the population in Austria was acutely infected in early April,” SORA co-founder Christoph Hofinger told a news conference. Given the margin of error, the figure was 95% likely to be between 0.12% and 0.76%.

Sebastian Kurz, Austria’s chancellor, whose government commissioned the study and saw initial findings a few days ago, said on Monday that the rate of infection was around 1%.

Debatable whether this is good news or bad (if true and if representative across the UK).

On the one hand, it would mean that the virus is a lot more deadly, which is very concerning indeed. On the other hand, if less than 1% of the population, it would suggest it's not so easily transmitted and is therefore much more controllable.

By contrast, if as had been suggested perhaps 10% or 15% of the UK population is infected, then that would mean the chances of you bumping into an infected person whilst doing your shopping at Tesco would be worryingly high, and therefore the chances of you and your family avoiding it - and therefore the rest of the nation too - very low. It would be hard to see how we could contain this if 6m to 10m out there have it already. But if only 1 person in 100 you bump into has it, then with social distancing and decent hand hygene, you could see how we could keep this reasonably in check until such time as a vaccine arrives.

On that basis, I am tempted to think of the above as being good news, not bad. Again, if true.

 

[Dicko69]

4k people are likely to die over the next 5 days and people are arguing about starting the football season up on a thread about a deadly virus...

 

[BosnianBlue]

belgium had 496 deaths in last 24 hours. That's by far the worst day per million in any country so far. It's like Italy had 3000 deaths day.

 

[Chappie]

The choice will be scrapping the 2019/20 season or playing it behind closed doors. We aren't going to have fans in the grounds for months.

Wonder how many people up and down the country will stop going next season cause of this

Thousands will stay away until a vaccine is found
Do you want to take a chance of getting infected at the match and pass it on to you're family, resulting in potential death.
I don't and wont go till I'm protected and this is from someone with 27000 loyalty points
It will kill me to not go but I couldn't have in on my conscience that I might kill one of my loved ones
Trying to go about every day life will be hard enough when the lockdown is eased without going into mass gatherings

 

[cleavers]

Would that be just while they are playing behind closed doors, and then would you start going again when the doors are opened. ?

It would for me, football is for the fans, and while fans are still dying it shouldn't even be up for discussion.

 

[Gabriel]

belgium had 496 deaths in last 24 hours. That's by far the worst day per million in any country so far. It's like Italy had 3000 deaths day.

Sorry BB, but that's not quite true. It has reported a higher number of deaths in the last 24hrs, but the deaths themselves had happened over a longer period. ;-)
Again, large numbers of deaths in care homes.
https://www.brusselstimes.com/all-n...avirus-belgium-reaches-26667-confirmed-cases/

 

[AlgarveBlu]

Debatable whether this is good news or bad (if true and if representative across the UK).

On the one hand, it would mean that the virus is a lot more deadly, which is very concerning indeed. On the other hand, if less than 1% of the population, it would suggest it's not so easily transmitted and is therefore much more controllable.

By contrast, if as had been suggested perhaps 10% or 15% of the UK population is infected, then that would mean the chances of you bumping into an infected person whilst doing your shopping at Tesco would be worryingly high, and therefore the chances of you and your family avoiding it - and therefore the rest of the nation too - very low. It would be hard to see how we could contain this if 6m to 10m out there have it already. But if only 1 person in 100 you bump into has it, then with social distancing and decent hand hygene, you could see how we could keep this reasonably in check until such time as a vaccine arrives.

On that basis, I am tempted to think of the above as being good news, not bad. Again, if true.

Agreed, my first thoughts were that this is quite bad news taken in conjunction with the healthcare infection rates versus symptoms (assumes that would be a lot higher), as any direct or partial move to herd immunity is practically impossible. As you say if correct the lockdown strategy with the lower than suspected contagion rate should do the trick short term.

Peering around the corner, the question remains of how long can society and the economy run with a rolling lockdown strategy before the immediate benefits become indistinguishable against the negative impacts of the lockdown that we all know are building in every aspect of peoples lives. Where or what is the tipping point?

 

[Gabriel]

A few points of interest from the Dutch situation:

Since the end of March, some 2,000 more people have died than would have been expected for the time of year. The current official death toll from coronavirus in the Netherlands is 2,511, a figure that only includes people who have been tested for the disease.

The number of deaths among the elderly in the last week of March was up 44% on previous weeks; coronavirus cases have been identified in at least 900 of the Netherlands’ 2,500 nursing homes.

Some 23,097 people have now tested positive for coronavirus, and 8,197 people have been or are being treated in hospital. On average, 25% of confirmed infections involve healthcare workers.

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/...en-impact-of-coronavirus-on-dutch-death-toll/

 

[inchy14]

I agree except to the point where it will actually help out the mental health side of lockdown if there's live football every day.

Also, it's fine for a Man City supporter to say that but there are a lot of clubs in the lower leagues that would be in grave danger of going out of business.

I personally couldn't give a toss but it might be that playing without fans is something that simply has to be done for a number of reasons.

These clubs wouldn’t run the risk of going out of business if the extremely wealthy FA, PL and PFA and not to mention the actual owners put their hands in their pockets and kept them afloat. The fans through the door amount to fuck all to most clubs.

Plus they’ve either had or due tv money which the government should enforce is paid.

As a few of us are saying, the day they decide they can play games without us I’m done.