COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[blueparrot]

Cheers for that, an interesting read.
My understanding is that the best way to absorb Vit-D is from sunlight, but have been taking a supplement for about a month now.

Should have gone sunbathing at the seaside yesterday :)

 

[BlueAnorak]

One of the problems is that the press are clearly thinking there is one disease cycle here when there are clearly 9. London, South East, West Midlands, South Wales, Central Scotland, Cumbria, North West, Yorkshire & North East. All of which will peak at different times.
The South East and London have already peaked. South Wales, Cumbria, Central Scotland and the Midlands look like they will peak early next week and the North West, Yorkshire and the North East who will peak next weekend.
The result is that UK disease graphs will look like a plateau.

 

[Fame Monster]

Yes , we have to act now, we are and will be monitoring all sorts of information. We know testing is a way out , testing is being ramped up as fast as we can. Hopefully by end of April we will be somewhere near the 100, 000 target and we can see an exit strategy.

Agree 100% and good to see we’re monitoring international cumulative death graphs as part of that strategy as per the Gov’t briefings.

 

[Academica]

On easing the restrictions.
Think about what that question fundamentally means. It means increasing the spread of the virus and therefore increasing the rate at which people die.

Ask yourself if you would do that?

Before even considering it you need:
Cure. by this I mean either preventative cure i.e. Vaccine or acquired immunity or a medicine to control the severity of the infection. (it needs to be strong enough to stop the vulnerable dying). These are both months or even years away.

or

A compelling argument that an increase in death rate is less damaging than the long term impact of staying in lockdown. This has to consider short term social effects i.e. people going stir crazy, medium term mental health i.e. people becoming overwhelmed by depression (the press are mostly accelerating this right now) and long term i.e. increased mortality due to the upcoming financial recession.

So get yourself a pencil and pad, make two columns headed Pro and Con and draw your own conclusion.

Whoever makes the decision to ease the "non pharmaceutical interventions" as they are properly called i.e. lock down measures, has to live with every extra death that occurs either way.

Go ahead, play god, and slag off the Government while you do it.

You have to consider the financial aspect as well the country cannot keep paying 80% of people's wages waiting till a vaccine is available, we will eventually have to come out of lockdown. Difficult decisions ahead.

 

[blueparrot]

Agree 100% and good to see we’re monitoring international cumulative death graphs as part of that strategy as per the Gov’t briefings.

Think cumulative is the graph and it’s curve that gives a better indication than the daily ones. I don't actually recall any of the daily briefings actually showing the daily ones just the cumulative, may be wrong on that though.

 

[blueparrot]

One of the problems is that the press are clearly thinking there is one disease cycle here when there are clearly 9. London, South East, West Midlands, South Wales, Central Scotland, Cumbria, North West, Yorkshire & North East. All of which will peak at different times. The result is that the UK disease graphs will look like a plateau.
The South East and London have already peaked. South Wales, Cumbria, Central Scotland and the Midlands look like they will peak early next week and the North West, Yorkshire and the North East who will peak next weekend.

Been thinking about this, but as my daughter said yesterday the fact we went into lockdown at the same time , so ahead of London in the cycle, shouldn’t that mean other parts of the country could peak at the same time but at a lower level than London. If we locked down earlier in the cycle we may see the benefits of that.

 

[squirtyflower]

Perhaps you should try more than a quick google?

Deaths outside hospital have been included since 30th March (and all before then have been retrospectively added)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...als-to-be-included-in-uk-tally-for-first-time

The Office for National Statistics will start publishing data about the rest of the deaths from 9.30am on Tuesday giving a fuller picture of the impact of Covid-19. They will tally all of the deaths from late December until 20 March which they believe occurred outside hospitals.

Unlike the NHS figures, which are limited to people who tested positive for the disease, they will also include cases where it is mentioned as a suspected cause on death certificates.

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You need to tag Karen7 in this as well mate

 

[squirtyflower]

Should have gone sunbathing at the seaside yesterday :)

I stayed out of it yesterday, keeping away from the Mrs

 

[Tim of the Oak]

The questions are very repetative but the coming out of lockdown is what the public want to know,not sure if anyone is slagging off the plan or lack there of

I’m not sure Karen that the majority of the public want to know - at this point - when are we coming out of lockdown. Most peole I chat to are surprised we haven’t had the announcement of an extension to the lockdown.

IMHO once the trend in both deaths and infections is going down, that’s when a lot of people will be asking for the lockdown to end IMHO. Atm it feels like the press are obsessed with the lockdown ending and the public aren’t.

 

[JRockBlues]

I think the main reason that they haven't said anything about a lockdown exit strategy is to avoid putting the idea in the general public's head that we can start to relax. As soon as they mention anything that softens the current situation you just know that the idiots will just hear what they want and think it's an immediate end to all things lockdown and they can resume normal life with immediate effect.

 

[marco]

The exit strategy is stay home until a vaccine arrives. Unless we want another two waves of deaths after this one.

im afraid is the correct answer

 

[marco]

There will rightly be an investigation once this is over

there absolutely will be an investigation,its goint to br interesting with what they find

 

[Tim of the Oak]

You have to consider the financial aspect as well the country cannot keep paying 80% of people's wages waiting till a vaccine is available, we will eventually have to come out of lockdown. Difficult decisions ahead.

The Government will be factoring in the economy and that might have been why our lockdown started later. The faster we get control of the virus the less harmful the damage to the economy will be.

Yes this is costing hundreds of £billions but least half of employees will continue to get paid normally because they are either essential workers, in the wider public sector and / or can work from home. Half of self employed people haven’t claimed a penny.

 

[inchy14]

yet again the press proving what twats they are.

What they saying now? Stoped watching it.

 

[sir baconface]

I wonder if the need to wipe off the NHS debt had something to do with PPE etc. not being readily available from suppliers?

Food for thought as debt is currently being multiplied to a level previously unimagined.

 

[kaz7]

ok let's take one reporter as an example. The twat who's trying to make a name for himself by going to a care home.
q. why aren't care home workers being tested?
a. As we announced on friday, they are.

q. why aren't residents in care homes being tested?
a. they are along with everyone else when testing is requested due to symptoms, and have been throughout.

another theme:
PPE

q.why haven't everyone got everything they need all the time?
a. are you a fucking moron?

I have read a lot about only care workers are tested,the glascow home tested the staff but not the patients,i really think this it is available depending on clinical need is a convenient line for him,in the next breath he says there is a lot more to be understood in care homes

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...us-outbreak-at-glasgow-care-home-after-13-die

I am always going to believe frontline workers over the government,there is an ocean between what the gov think they are doing,and in good faith i understand,and what actually happens on the ground

On PPE,this is the most important issue,time after time drs and nurses and everyone else is begging for enough,it is very short,some are wearing bin bags but everyone is surprised that some are positive or dying,so long as frontline workers are talking to the media they have a responsibilty to keep bringing it up

His comments about people using it too much did not go down well,he dodged apologising today,he can't blame them for protecting themselves,some are nursing their own colleagues in intensive care,i don't think he has any clue how scared they are

 

[PragueBlue]

What they saying now? Stoped watching it.

I never bother with watching it now. Just find the press/media too annoying.

 

[Marvin]

US's top man on what will inform the lifting of the lockdown, and how they will do it. What the risks are etc.

 

[Manc in London]

It only improves your chances because a deficiency harms your chances.

Indeed and that is why it is important to supplement it during the months when there is less sun.

 

[robbieh]

Cheers for that, an interesting read.
My understanding is that the best way to absorb Vit-D is from sunlight, but have been taking a supplement for about a month now.

Think you're right but when the sun don't shine.