COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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BLUEMATT23 said:
What hasn't been addressed and what I find a bit odd is theirs been little mention on air travel. In the long run holidays including mine can wait as it doesnt matter at the moment.
Jet2, TUI, Ryan Air have all more or less committed to the same date of mid june to start their schedules. So are they just guessing or do they know something we dont?
Also planes are compact and not a great environment for people with air con and germs spreading etc so will flying be allowed? I guess that's another conundrum as major airlines will need to get going or else they may go bust.
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I think this is one subject that no government wants to discuss, just far too difficult to call at this stage. My mate is a captain at EasyJet and they haven’t got a scooby what’s going on.
 
inbetween said:
They won't say anything because it'll trigger claims and people will start grabbing for refunds.

I think air travel will resume when the lockdown ends and the government stops advising against all travel.

Whether you can enter the country you are going to though is another thing.
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Yeah true mine is Tenerife but apart from the incident at the hotel with CV19 a few months ago it seems to have coped ok.
 
give it to gordon said:
if you just let more people on the allotments do as they wish they have 4 or 5 people on their plots with BBQ before you know it you could have a gathering of 50 or more on site which would be classed a a mass gathering ;) and against government guidelines
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My mam and dad go to there’s each day for an hour or 2 maximum. As far as I know they’ve not been told anything different and as it’s the only time she’s allowed out and dad just does some shopping on top of this I’m unsure what the issue with it is. It’s their only form of exercise, it’s the one thing keeping them, especially mum sane!! They don’t mix with anyone else so can’t see any reason for them to stop.
 
inchy14 said:
My mam and dad go to there’s each day for an hour or 2 maximum. As far as I know they’ve not been told anything different and as it’s the only time she’s allowed out and dad just does some shopping on top of this I’m unsure what the issue with it is. It’s their only form of exercise, it’s the one thing keeping them, especially mum sane!! They don’t mix with anyone else so can’t see any reason for them to stop.
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I must admit I don't see whats wrong with a couple doing their allotments and keeping the 2 meter gap with others
 
Rammy Blue said:
I think this is one subject that no government wants to discuss, just far too difficult to call at this stage. My mate is a captain at EasyJet and they haven’t got a scooby what’s going on.
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Yeah it's a tricky one isn't it.
They cant risk several airlines going bust but have to weight that up against public health.
It may well be that passengers need some sort of CV19 test certificate.
 
blueparrot said:
Yes you have to be in intensive care for a ventilator.
Scottish figures here.


Scottish COVID-19 test numbers: 15 April 2020
A total of 34,064 people in Scotland have been tested. Of these:

  • 27,316 were confirmed negative
  • 6,748 were positive
  • 699 patients who tested positive have died
Find out about the process for reporting COVID-19 deaths.

Management information reported by NHS Boards shows
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I can't find where else I saw a report of the study but in any case, I think the 41% refers to ventilators/ventilation (as in invasive and non-invasive CPAP types) whereas a much lower percentage refers to mechanical ventilators which I hope/assume are the type we have 10,000 of. That's not to say there's an over-supply because by all accounts, it's a race against the clock for these new ventilators to be delivered but hopefully that means there's not a shortage either and that they're not having to be rationed.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/ventilators-coronavirus/
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Good news: Antibody tests validated!

Bad news (I think) : They've realised that under 40s diagnosed who had mild symptoms didn't actually develop antibodies and the virus was killed by other cells in the body. Now unlikely to be immune.
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That is bad news,that means they can get it and pass it on a second time,need to read about it really,do you have a link?
 
The saying goodbye to loved ones at the hospital/care home is a nice soundbite but will be a nightmare in reality , they haven't got the PPE for the workers, let alone visitors ffs.
 
My Son is being tested tomorrow, he's a nurse at a Children's hospital and has had symptoms the last day or so.
He's 31 so hopefully he'll be fine but as a parent it's a nightmare not being able to go to them
 
ayrshire_blue said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...tibody-test-validated-results-show-under-40s/
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Thanks

Levels rose with age, with people in the 60-85 age group displaying more than three times the amount of antibodies as people in the 15-39 age range. That is in line with suspicions that the virus could be deadlier to older people because it triggers an extreme immune response

According that that at 59 i might be borderline immune but not for certain,hmm

I think everything was hinging on the antibody test,this puts us back somewhat i think
 
give it to gordon said:
sorry this may seem like as rant, and long winded.

Part of my job when we have finished the food bank runs is to check that the allotment holders are obeying the new government guidelines of only ONE tenant per plot NO couples and NO children along with the club houses is closed and no washing of hands in the water butts !!

Today on one site there were 6 couples and two had a child with them, I approached all of them and 5 were fine but of course played the we didn't know card, even though all plot holders have been sent emails with the new government guidelines and notices around the site.

Of course ONE couple decide to kick off. I remained polite and just said its government policy so sorry the kiddie shouldnt be here and only one of you should be working the plot. As we were leaving the site at the gate were this couple with the little kiddie and their daughter/mother to the kiddie. The Daughter than starts kicking of saying that her mother has to come up with her father as she doesn't drive !. I said '' couldn't your father come up when you or your husband our at home to be with your mother ?''...…..''NO we don't live with them''. ''Well your daughter shouldnt be with her grand parents if you don't share the same house , you aren't allowed to visit family as we are in lockdown''. Plus her parents looked well into their 70's and aren't that age group meant to be staying in for the 8 or so weeks ?

that didn't go down well !!! ''what are you some sort of jobs worth you little twat !'' the daughter said. ''If it means trying to stop the virus yes I am a jobs worth, you shouldn't be visiting or leaving you kiddie with your parents''. She was going on about schools reopening in 3 weeks yet her daughter cant come to the allotments with her grand parents !. I said ''I have nothing to do with schools only allotments''. I know I shouldn't have mention the fact that they shouldnt be sending their kiddie to the grand parents, but I am getting fed up with people ignoring the lockdown.

As the daughter was getting more confrontational I said '' If you aren't happy with the government's guidelines please phone the council and speak to ******* ****** '', and we walked away as there was no point in talking to her as she thought she was right and I was just a jobs worth twat !!

We got into our van to leave all the family ( 3 generations ) all got into the same car and than blocked our way out. We waited and in the end they moved. The council have said it will close the allotments to all if the guidelines arent followed its a shame that some people really don't give a shit about other people.

going by what I see on a daily basis I don't see this virus or lockdown ending any time soon

sorry for the rant bluemooners ;)
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Fair play to you for remaining calm and patient, I'm not sure I could have been that rational. If they have broken the rules by bringing a child, then you should just shut their plot no argument. Tough shit, you shouldn't have to put up with this bollocks.
I'm sure someone more responsible would be more than willing to take it on.
Is this what we've come to? Allotment anarchy.
Stay safe mate
 
karen7 said:
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Levels rose with age, with people in the 60-85 age group displaying more than three times the amount of antibodies as people in the 15-39 age range. That is in line with suspicions that the virus could be deadlier to older people because it triggers an extreme immune response

According that that at 59 i might be borderline immune but not for certain,hmm

I think everything was hinging on the antibody test,this puts us back somewhat i think
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Yeah I would agree with your last paragraph. I'm no expert though and it might not paint the full picture, but it complicates things as I read it.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Good news: Antibody tests validated!

Bad news (I think) : They've realised that under 40s diagnosed who had mild symptoms didn't actually develop antibodies and the virus was killed by other cells in the body. Now unlikely to be immune.
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An interesting aspect of that would be if they could identify the agent(s) in the body which are killing the virus, it could prove a pathway to a possible cure in the long term. I don't have a Telegraph subscription so can't read the whole article to see if that's discussed.
 
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