Keir Starmer

Bovril said:
Covid 19 kills more males than females fact, lets open an enquiry into that and come up with some way of blaming Austerity.
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They are looking into this actually with University College London in particular doing a lot of work on it.
 
I think some people have mistaken this for being a political inquiry. The British medical association called for it, it’s not necessarily a criticism of the government, it’s to get to the underlying facts and reasons why it appears to be disproportionately affecting ethnic minorities.

It’s also pretty old news already labour backed it, it was a few weeks ago when they did. It isn’t as if they’ve kicked off saying there must be an inquiry after the inquiry has already started.

Flip any of the parties round, this is just exactly what the opposition should be doing, that’s all. I’d be very worried about anyone who thinks this shouldn’t be being investigated.
 
I know we live in a age where every politician gets labelled a ‘c*nt’ and gets dogs abuse ... not forgetting to chuck in the ‘they’re all the same’ tag.

but Kier Starmer seems a genuinely good guy and a decent speaker, seems good at the dispatch box also.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
I know we live in a age where every politician gets labelled a ‘c*nt’ and gets dogs abuse ... not forgetting to chuck in the ‘they’re all the same’ tag.

but Kier Starmer seems a genuinely good guy and a decent speaker, seems good at the dispatch box also.
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No need for that mate. We're just trying to have a sensible debate here so just try and keep it civil
 
BlueHammer85 said:
I know we live in a age where every politician gets labelled a ‘c*nt’ and gets dogs abuse ... not forgetting to chuck in the ‘they’re all the same’ tag.

but Kier Starmer seems a genuinely good guy and a decent speaker, seems good at the dispatch box also.
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I agree and having a QC as the main opposition leader right now and over the coming months is exactly what the country needs. Anyone decent on the governments side would say the same too, it’s imperative they’re scrutinised and kept on their toes now more than ever. Party politics can wait.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
No need for that mate. We're just trying to have a sensible debate here so just try and keep it civil
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Hated his brexit stance for very obvious reasons but he will have my votes whilst he is leader as I like him and he will steer the party back towards the much needed position of the "winning" centre ground.
 
I'm hoping Sir Starmer might have another record to play at PM's QT next week. I'm getting a bit pissed off with his rendition of 'Exit Strategy'. He's played it so many times it's getting a bit scratchy. As far as Covid-19 is rampaging through the nation no fucker has a clue where the door is, let alone how to get through it!
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
I'm hoping Sir Starmer might have another record to play at PM's QT next week. I'm getting a bit pissed off with his rendition of 'Exit Strategy'. He's played it so many times it's getting a bit scratchy. As far as Covid-19 is rampaging through the nation no fucker has a clue where the door is, let alone how to get through it!
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We do have some clue. Other countries have done and are doing it so whilst it maybe a little premature I don’t think it’s an unreasonable question to ask - the small issue I have with that sort of question is that the public may feel complacent if the MPs are discussing exit, returning to work etc.
 
Blue Hefner said:
We do have some clue. Other countries have done and are doing it so whilst it maybe a little premature I don’t think it’s an unreasonable question to ask - the small issue I have with that sort of question is that the public may feel complacent if the MPs are discussing exit, returning to work etc.
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We do have some handles on what might be clues, but they do not all point in the same direction. We are getting contrary advice about the effectiveness of masks, for example. The empty beds in the Nightingales might give people the idea that it is slowing down, and yet the daily figures are like a yo-yo. There is still greater uncertainty than there is understanding. The exit will appear just as suddenly as the door opened.
 
Shaelumstash said:
There’s absolutely nothing in Rascal’s post to suggest he was talking about the 1970s?

He specifically mentions “Leave” being a left-wing cause, specifically relating to the recent referendum.

It’s absolute bollocks he’s talking, the ramblings of a brainwashed cult member trying to re-write history.
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Leave was a left wing cause hijacked by the far right, ok I didn't say historical context, because I thought it was obvious, plainly not.

I have also stated on here numerous times, Corbyn was too right wing for me, if so are you suggesting Corbyn moved me politically to the right to join this cult that the right wing media love to talk about?

And there really is no need to be so aggressive, although I suppose given the recent dossier leak it has shown that the Blairite right wing of the Labour party are nasty fuckers.
 
Shaelumstash said:
I didn't say racist and stupid, I said racist or stupid.



There isn't a legitimate economic argument for leaving the EU. The IFS said it was like losing a Sunday Dinner and finding a packet of crisps.
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I am neither racist or stupid.

The EU is pro-capitalist, it enforces neo-liberalism on its members. Keynesian economic theory is frowned upon and they worship at the altar of Hayek,who just happened to be Joesphs hero and who was the economic guru behind Thatcherism, Thatcherism gave us the free market, she fought for it, its that free market that inadvertently denies the individual nations of democratic control of their economies hence ruling out Keynesian interventionism. A case in point would be the Steelworks not allowed to be saved by EU rules on state aid. Tell those Steelworkers the EU works for them? Then you see why so many of the working class Labour heartlands voted leave. Labour under Starmer is and will become the party of the conscionable middle classes and the metropolitan centric liberal elites.

Labour should not be a liberal party, it was traditionally always small C conservative and patriotic in outlook, after all, when it comes to Patriotic duty its the working class who do most of the dying.

I don't buy btw the Tory right and the Kipper stance on leaving the EU, I didn't vote leave because of Farage and I abhor how he and a number of far right fruitcakes backed by self interested billionaires used the leave movement for their own personal agendas. Labour should have followed its history and its heart and become the party of leave, it would have silenced the fruitcakes on the far right and in all probability won the party the election. Yet Starmer and the other "labour" backstabbers preferred a Labour defeat so they could rid the party of the Socialists. So I ask once again, what is the point of a Labour party that is not Socialist but is a clone of the neo-liberal Tories/
 
Rascal said:
Leave was a left wing cause hijacked by the far right, ok I didn't say historical context, because I thought it was obvious, plainly not.

I have also stated on here numerous times, Corbyn was too right wing for me, if so are you suggesting Corbyn moved me politically to the right to join this cult that the right wing media love to talk about?

And there really is no need to be so aggressive, although I suppose given the recent dossier leak it has shown that the Blairite right wing of the Labour party are nasty fuckers.
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If Corbyn was too right wing for you, then I genuinely don't think mainstream British politics is for you.

If you're hoping to somehow move the Labour party to the left of Corbyn, and then hoping over 50% of the electorate get on board, then I'm afraid you're destined to complete and utter dismal failure.

You'd be better off joining an extreme fringe group and hoping to influence politics that way. A bit like Ferage did with UKIP, but maybe with more "proletariat" and "bourgeoisie" as opposed to "ordinary working people" and "liberal elite"?
 
Rascal said:
I am neither racist or stupid.

The EU is pro-capitalist, it enforces neo-liberalism on its members. Keynesian economic theory is frowned upon and they worship at the altar of Hayek,who just happened to be Joesphs hero and who was the economic guru behind Thatcherism, Thatcherism gave us the free market, she fought for it, its that free market that inadvertently denies the individual nations of democratic control of their economies hence ruling out Keynesian interventionism. A case in point would be the Steelworks not allowed to be saved by EU rules on state aid. Tell those Steelworkers the EU works for them? Then you see why so many of the working class Labour heartlands voted leave. Labour under Starmer is and will become the party of the conscionable middle classes and the metropolitan centric liberal elites.
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I still struggle to see why a few posters on here who i know are of the same thinking as you politically are so against leaving the EU?

Rascal said:
Labour should have followed its history and its heart and become the party of leave, it would have silenced the fruitcakes on the far right and in all probability won the party the election.
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Completely agree.
 
Rascal said:
You were conned. Thanks to you and your mates we have Johnson and the worst Tory government since Thatcher.
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I wasn't conned at all.

I don't want broadband to be nationalised. I don't want a 4 day working week. I don't want private tenants to be given the Right To Buy. Because I think all of those things would be an absolute disaster for our economy, and would in turn leave us less able to fund essential public services like the NHS and state education.

You see, investment in public services is important to me, as it is to pretty much all on the left. But I think the best way to be able to fund them is to have an expanding economy.

Unfortunately, you, Corbyn, Momentum, Red Wedge etc, seem to have the view you can fund public services just by redistribution of wealth. But you fail to see the flaw in your logic - once it's all been redistributed, then what?

It's almost like some on the far-left would rather see the rich made poor than the poor made richer...
 
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