Have to say I’m beginning to come round to the fact that at some point people are just going to say FUCK IT, we cannot carry on like this, I’m in the fortunate position of both of us still earning but others are really going to struggle after this 3 months that the government have been furloughed.
After the crash in 2007 I said to my now wife it would be 15-20 of austerity and as a public sector worker I’ve born the brunt of that with basically a real term cut in pay of around £5k, austerity will now carry on for another 15 years. There will be a generation of workers in both public and private who are basically paying for the debt of the country for most of their working lives.
I don’t know the answer but my elderly parents have accepted lockdown and if it’s a year so be it, what will happen though is we will get tests and then go visit them properly but not before, kids are going to have to go back to school, masks and cleanliness will be the new norm and I think people will just change their habits to not come into contact with people if they don’t have to. Football isn’t coming back for a long time.
Every day the media has been asking when the exit strategy will begin.
If it starts on Friday the media will be asking why has the exit strategy begun.
Long term, some things will change for the better. I think peoples 'work life balance' will forever be changed for the better.
No fucking way am I doing 5 days a week in an office going forward.
they are just reporting what the public is demanding - most people I know are asking when it’s gonna be lifted
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In the words of the UK's main coronavirus task force man Sir Pat Vallance,what I genuinely don't understand is where the numbers are relatively small, why the fuck are we not doing proper contact tracing at all? Its the same in Scotland, on the face of it the daily numbers look manageable to trace contacts and quarantine them.
what I genuinely don't understand is where the numbers are relatively small, why the fuck are we not doing proper contact tracing at all? Its the same in Scotland, on the face of it the daily numbers look manageable to trace contacts and quarantine them.
Have to say I’m beginning to come round to the fact that at some point people are just going to say FUCK IT, we cannot carry on like this, I’m in the fortunate position of both of us still earning but others are really going to struggle after this 3 months that the government have been furloughed.
After the crash in 2007 I said to my now wife it would be 15-20 of austerity and as a public sector worker I’ve born the brunt of that with basically a real term cut in pay of around £5k, austerity will now carry on for another 15 years. There will be a generation of workers in both public and private who are basically paying for the debt of the country for most of their working lives.
I don’t know the answer but my elderly parents have accepted lockdown and if it’s a year so be it, what will happen though is we will get tests and then go visit them properly but not before, kids are going to have to go back to school, masks and cleanliness will be the new norm and I think people will just change their habits to not come into contact with people if they don’t have to. Football isn’t coming back for a long time.
I get that , but come Friday the media will flip and say it it is wrong to start the exit.
And say the public are asking why.
Opinion polls suggest overwhelming numbers support the lockdown and do not want the measures removed.they are just reporting what the public is demanding - most people I know are asking when it’s gonna be lifted
Austerity? Europe-wide. We had a financial crash. Debt was the enemy or so we were told.Do you really beleive the public sector 'bear the brunt' of the economic consequences? I don't see that in the slightest.
Otherwise, absolutely valid points, don't disagree with any of that.
wife working from home, shes on vulnerable category, im a firefighter so working as normalAre you both on full pay and working from home?
There’s lots of people struggling but the majority of the population are sticking by the rules to safeguards communities (even people with no income).
I say the brunt because since 2007 ive lost £5k in real terms from my wage, even before this when the world was recovering and execs still getting million pound bonuses and MPs getting rises I along with many others who are now been applauded were been shafted by these happy clappers from parliamnentDo you really beleive the public sector 'bear the brunt' of the economic consequences? I don't see that in the slightest.
Otherwise, absolutely valid points, don't disagree with any of that.
Are your thoughts along the line of perhaps we should not have bothered because the majority of the dead are the elderly ie the action failed?one man's bellend.................
But on a more serious note.
What have we experienced? In densely populated areas a significant number of old people have died. In areas densely populated with old people it's worse (care homes). Anyone under 65 in reasonable health is not at risk bar a tiny few unlucky ones. To combat this people have sacrificed their livelihoods. Young people with young families. They have lost years of wealth accumulation in terms of pay and pension. And they have done it to prolong the life of the old and infirm. How long have they prolonged those lives and at what cost?
I don't know the answer. I know it feels like the right thing to do but I don't know if it really is. For every life that we as a planet have prolonged by 1 month, one year, 10 years, how many have we shortened by the same amount by the actions of the lockdown? What is the ultimate cost of these actions?
I don't know any of the answers, nor do I instinctively know what is right and wrong. I know my rather comfortable last ten years of working life up to retirement have gone out the window and my future planning is in chaos. But I don't instinctively feel that's the fault of old and infirm people who are dying. I would like to blame someone just to get it off my chest but I can't see an obvious culprit.
You live your life trying to find a moral comfort zone to inhabit. The boundaries change over time. You try and do the best for your family. Then someone tells you to stay at home. Stop working. Lose your job. Build up unsustainable debt. Risk losing your family home.
I guess at some point each of us will reach a moment where we feel so threatened by the circumstance we find ourselves in that we need to change it. If that means protesting peacefully against the lockdown then that's a pretty docile response. When people start killing each other for food, then I will worry.
Bit of a wine fuelled ramble but that's where my head is right now.
wife working from home, shes on vulnerable category, im a firefighter so working as normal
Cheers pal shes doing fine and I think like many others in her position will be the last to go back to work and maybe even change the way she does work, I think this has shown how many dont actually need to go in 5 days a week, id build her a little office to work from home, but only when im at work lol.Well done mate. I hope the Missus is OK
Gelson posted a video about 10/20 pages back that explained it pretty well, one done by a Nobel prize winning scientist.Are your thoughts along the line of perhaps we should not have bothered because the majority of the dead are the elderly ie the action failed?
Unfortunately the obsession of some on here with the death league is morbid.If any way of listening to him, anyone obsessed with counting deaths should listen to this UK statistician professor Ian Diamond that was on Andrew Marr this morning, explained very well about how we are right at the top with regards to official reporting and keen to get deaths registered faster than practically any other country. Then, as we’ve said on here, confirmed that you won’t really be able to compare deaths until all of this is over.