Running thread

Finally forced myself to take a day off today. Just feels wrong and I feel guilty now that I’m getting stuck into a few beers and wine, lol.

Back at it tomorrow.
Remind yourself that training is work plus rest. A runner asked a famous coach how long it would take to become world class. The coach responded that "if you run five times per week you'll be world class in ten years". The runner then asked how long it will take if he runs 10 times per week. The coach replied "twenty years".
 
Flys in the face of the "conversational pace" theory that's for sure.

What are everyone else's opinion on this type of intense training? @Stuuuuuu @BlueHammer85 @Paladin @inchy14 etc etc.

I do a variation on this a couple of times per week. Impossible to social distance around here if I'm not out by 6.30am. I have a treadmill which is a last resort really. It only goes up to 10mph. So I jog for a few minutes to warm up then switch it up to 10mph and sprint for 1 minute, jump off for a minute, jump on for a 2nd minute and repeat a third time then cool down

Alternatively I'll run 10mph 1 minute at 5% incline, 45 seconds at 10% incline and the 3rd sprint is 15% incline for 30 seconds. Leg torcher
 
Flys in the face of the "conversational pace" theory that's for sure.

What are everyone else's opinion on this type of intense training? @Stuuuuuu @BlueHammer85 @Paladin @inchy14 etc etc.


Never done them mate but will look into it tomorrow

edit. Just looked and they’re similar to HIIT training. I guess the nearest I do is my stair session, takes longer than 10 seconds to get back down them but it’s roughly a 20 second burst to the top.
 
It's a bit weird, having to run pretty slow, to maintain a low heart rate, but strangely still very enjoyable. I wouldn't say it was uncomfortable, but it takes a while to get used to it. When running at this pace, I find I can run with my mouth closed, breathing entirely through my mouth. I can't do that at my previous pace.

Following advice on here from @Stuuuuuu and others, I thought I had already slowed down to a 'conversational pace', but often found myself out of breath, and unable to converse if I had a running partner. I got home, then walked up and down our street for five minutes, getting my breath back.

This was the second time out using this method. It has added around 2 minutes per mile, but I'm not fussed about that. The run itself was more enjoyable because I wasn't feeling exhausted or out of breath at all, right through to the end. From the little I've read about it so far, my times will improve as I become more accustomed to running in the aerobic zone.

So I'm going to stick with it for a while, and see where it takes me. I'm 58, so my running is totally for fitness and enjoyment. Run times are a very low priority.

Just to see what the experience was like I went for a slow run today maintaining my heart rate below 125bps. My running pace changed from a typical 4:50-5:00 minute K to a 6:30 - 6:50 K pace for a 8.5 km run.

I did enjoy it and my legs feel refreshed. Will have to read up on the topic myself.
 
Never done them mate but will look into it tomorrow

edit. Just looked and they’re similar to HIIT training. I guess the nearest I do is my stair session, takes longer than 10 seconds to get back down them but it’s roughly a 20 second burst to the top.
You should get a fireman’s pole fitted, you’ll be down in a second or two.
 
Flys in the face of the "conversational pace" theory that's for sure.

What are everyone else's opinion on this type of intense training? @Stuuuuuu @BlueHammer85 @Paladin @inchy14 etc etc.

Yeah, a pretty good article. It's basically advocating interval training - to which there are many different approaches. Interval training in runners is brilliant for speed and essential for anyone who's got to that level of fitness where they are chasing a time or a PB.

I would just draw your attention to a short section that's buried in the middle of the article:
Unfortunately, this leads to the mindset of “more is better,” which makes people start to favor tabata workouts over everything else in order to see even more results.
You should really think twice before doing this, as it can quickly become too stressful on the body. At best, you might see great results for a while, while at worst you’ll become injured, extremely fatigued, or thoroughly burnt out.


It is indeed very easy to injure yourself or burn out with this type of exercise and that's why I would argue that, although it's an excellent workout approach and definitely worth doing, it's not quite the magic bullet that it's sometimes made out to be and there are a few things that the article doesn't mention or skims over.

For a start, I wouldn't even consider it for a beginner; this is the sort of workout that suits those with at least a good base fitness level - so build that up first with easy runs for a few weeks if you haven't yet done so. And whether you're a beginner or not, I would start with a very low number of reps and very gradually build it up over time.

Secondly, due to the intense nature of these workouts, it's simply impractical to do them very regularly. An experienced runner in good shape might be able to tolerate a couple of these each week; I know a lot of good and dedicated athletes who only do it fortnightly. This is because of the recovery time involved.

Also bear in mind that if you start the day off with this type of intense workout (which is the best time to do it for various reasons), then you can expect to be pretty fucked for the rest of the day so it could affect your ability to do you job or complete those chores that you had set for yourself.

Overall, I should stress that interval sessions are absolutely brilliant and really can have a significant impact on fitness - but I always think that a cautious approach should be followed before jumping in.
 
Yeah, a pretty good article. It's basically advocating interval training - to which there are many different approaches. Interval training in runners is brilliant for speed and essential for anyone who's got to that level of fitness where they are chasing a time or a PB.

I would just draw your attention to a short section that's buried in the middle of the article:
Unfortunately, this leads to the mindset of “more is better,” which makes people start to favor tabata workouts over everything else in order to see even more results.
You should really think twice before doing this, as it can quickly become too stressful on the body. At best, you might see great results for a while, while at worst you’ll become injured, extremely fatigued, or thoroughly burnt out.


It is indeed very easy to injure yourself or burn out with this type of exercise and that's why I would argue that, although it's an excellent workout approach and definitely worth doing, it's not quite the magic bullet that it's sometimes made out to be and there are a few things that the article doesn't mention or skims over.

For a start, I wouldn't even consider it for a beginner; this is the sort of workout that suits those with at least a good base fitness level - so build that up first with easy runs for a few weeks if you haven't yet done so. And whether you're a beginner or not, I would start with a very low number of reps and very gradually build it up over time.

Secondly, due to the intense nature of these workouts, it's simply impractical to do them very regularly. An experienced runner in good shape might be able to tolerate a couple of these each week; I know a lot of good and dedicated athletes who only do it fortnightly. This is because of the recovery time involved.

Also bear in mind that if you start the day off with this type of intense workout (which is the best time to do it for various reasons), then you can expect to be pretty fucked for the rest of the day so it could affect your ability to do you job or complete those chores that you had set for yourself.

Overall, I should stress that interval sessions are absolutely brilliant and really can have a significant impact on fitness - but I always think that a cautious approach should be followed before jumping in.
It’s the same when I do strength resistance training. I only ever seem to injure myself when lifting heavy weights. When I do muscular endurance, lower weight, higher reps, I don’t think I’ve ever injured a muscle.

So I only ever do strength training around Christmas when I’m eating a shit load of food, a few weeks maybe up to one month a year.

And I definitely agree about not doing Tabata or any sprint training like that a lot. Once a week even once every two weeks is enough. As one aspect to a full training programme.

Injuries are the worst thing to set you back but also when you put the body under a lot of stress like that the body produces the stress hormone cortisol. Which is fine in small frequencies, but not regularly.

Also I too mentioned a few pages back that I wouldn’t start with this. You have to build your sprint strength up first so have 2-3mins rest between 75-90% sprints at first. Rather than jumping straight into Tabata.

Just like I’d never encourage someone to find their 1 Rep Max of squats, deadlift, bench etc. from scratch. Build up some strength and endurance in the movements first.

(Sorry everyone, I know this is the running thread rather than general fitness)
 
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Yeah, a pretty good article. It's basically advocating interval training - to which there are many different approaches. Interval training in runners is brilliant for speed and essential for anyone who's got to that level of fitness where they are chasing a time or a PB.

I would just draw your attention to a short section that's buried in the middle of the article:
Unfortunately, this leads to the mindset of “more is better,” which makes people start to favor tabata workouts over everything else in order to see even more results.
You should really think twice before doing this, as it can quickly become too stressful on the body. At best, you might see great results for a while, while at worst you’ll become injured, extremely fatigued, or thoroughly burnt out.


It is indeed very easy to injure yourself or burn out with this type of exercise and that's why I would argue that, although it's an excellent workout approach and definitely worth doing, it's not quite the magic bullet that it's sometimes made out to be and there are a few things that the article doesn't mention or skims over.

For a start, I wouldn't even consider it for a beginner; this is the sort of workout that suits those with at least a good base fitness level - so build that up first with easy runs for a few weeks if you haven't yet done so. And whether you're a beginner or not, I would start with a very low number of reps and very gradually build it up over time.

Secondly, due to the intense nature of these workouts, it's simply impractical to do them very regularly. An experienced runner in good shape might be able to tolerate a couple of these each week; I know a lot of good and dedicated athletes who only do it fortnightly. This is because of the recovery time involved.

Also bear in mind that if you start the day off with this type of intense workout (which is the best time to do it for various reasons), then you can expect to be pretty fucked for the rest of the day so it could affect your ability to do you job or complete those chores that you had set for yourself.

Overall, I should stress that interval sessions are absolutely brilliant and really can have a significant impact on fitness - but I always think that a cautious approach should be followed before jumping in.

Well mate I've just got back from my run and read your post.

I've dipped my toe in and did this -

1k easy pace warm up

25m sprint followed by 25m walk repeated 15 times.

Fucking murder.

Was that intense I had to walk back to the car.

Feel immense now :)

Think I'll be fucked later though.
 
I'm just back from a 12.5k Maffetone run. I walked the first 1k and last half k as warm up and cool down. Pace was 12:40 per mile, and I managed to average 121bps heart rate. Most enjoyable.
 
This is an interesting video



For the last decade or more I’ve read and heard a lot about the importance of forefoot strike when running.

It was explained to me; “look at the strike of your feet when running up stairs, skipping, walking barefoot and even cycling... naturally we use the forefoot strike... so we should forefoot strike when running”.

But that^ video talks about the different strikes in different situations.
 
Went for a run with my 15 year old daughter yesterday. She hated running and I've struggled to get her out (though she's really into exercise and training and is getting very fit - see my 'she wants to become a PT thread!).
Thought I'd be dropping my pace a fair bit but she's far, far quicker than the last we run we did last year. She's been taking herself out at 8am for a 6k (to build her confidence) over the past week but 'allowed' me to go with her yesterday. She ran a pace of 5:33 per KM over this 6K which (thereabouts) could translate a 5k Park Run time of around 27/28 minutes (and bear in mind the distance would be less and you tend to run faster in large groups).
Think she surprised herself.
 
I tried a very slow 5k this morning, 12 min miles, which I found difficult to keep my pace down. Its a lot easier to regulate your breathing though. Also easier to keep your posture upright and observe better running form. Problem is, because I was using very short strides my calfs are aching now
 
Running at this slower pace certainly makes it more enjoyable. I can actually think and appreciate the run rather than focusing on my lungs hurting or my legs aching. Just did 10k in 65 minutes and was bloody lovely. Hardly ever out of breath and finished feeling pretty fresh.
 

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