Seeing as you commented it was the Park Lane Hotel and I had ham and eggs! :-)Claridges ;)
It was deleted before I had the chance to read it myself, so no idea. Sorry.Can't see it - What did it say Vienna (apologies behind on thread)?
1. Not really. I don’t remember the tube station where my Dad parked even. I was pissed the night before.
2. It wasn’t KloppitE’s first final. He was in Rome the year before watching missiles being pelted at a Liverpool coach as it crossed the Tibor river.
The funny thing is, I was working in Merseyside for most of the 80s, and at the time the Liverpool Echo (which used to be a good newspaper) slaughtered the Liverpool fans for bringing shame to the city and that was the prevailng view in the city at the time. That was also the prevailing view of most Liverpool fans I spoke to. One of them never attended an away match in Europe again because he was disgusted and ashamed.There isn’t a single part of that article that even invites the inference. Absolutely fucking shameful.
And I get that. Like I said earlier, I remember the t-shirt I was bought before the 89 derby as clear as day and the conversation I had with my next door neighbour at our newsagents as I bought a MEN pink final that evening. I remember whereabouts I was stood on the Kippax. I remember City and United fans chanting Celtic/Rangers at each other. I remember being stood at the turnstile outside and seeing the first United shirts of the day and suddenly realising that I was at my first derby.A couple of months before the League Cup Final (wasn’t afforded the replay at Maine Road) to be precise but that doesn’t detract from his pertinent point.
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I’m not going to labour the second point but I will say this; if you get drawn against Roma in Europe, make sure you get to the away tie, head for that bridge and let me know how you get on. I promise you one thing, you won’t forget a second of that. Any fan guide to the game will tell you that you go there at your peril.
If I do, I’ll probably have my own lads with me. One of them is 13. I can’t imagine I’ll be stood watching rocks being hurled at City coaches as they cross the Tibor river just as much as I couldn’t imagine sneaking him through a hole in a stadium wall to get in. That might be just me though.Well, as it was his second European Cup final then, I’m pretty sure that a nipper will have been even more excited and desperate to get out there when he recalled last years trip. I’m not surprised he remembers loads, these are landmark moments in your youth when you look back.
I’m not going to labour the second point but I will say this; if you get drawn against Roma in Europe, make sure you get to the away tie, head for that bridge and let me know how you get on. I promise you one thing, you won’t forget a second of that. Any fan guide to the game will tell you that you go there at your peril.
Italy per se bar Milan who don’t tend to have any political tendencies.
Gorgeous country ..... when there’s no togger on.
From someone who absolutely lives for European trips, I swerved Naples this year. Twice in that absolute cesspit of inhumanity is more than enough for me. Couldn’t pay me to go back there. Absolutely NO fun at all the whole trip watching yer back in that moody ____hole.
There comes a point where your own personal safety outweighs everything and Naples and Turin are that point.
If I do, I’ll probably have my own lads with me. One of them is 13. I can’t imagine I’ll be stood watching rocks being hurled at City coaches as they cross the Tibor river just as much as I couldn’t imagine sneaking him through a hole in a stadium wall to get in. That might be just me though.
Inter away was a great trip, party from start to finish. I’ve not been to Naples but I’m not really one for the front line and be arsed with, like you say, looking over your shoulder constantly. As an example Tottenham away way back then was on your guard time after the game, but this is another level. Mind, I was saying the other day that our first return Napoli home game had all kinds of madness outside, loads from both sides bang at it.
Inter away was a great trip, party from start to finish. I’ve not been to Naples but I’m not really one for the front line and be arsed with, like you say, looking over your shoulder constantly. As an example Tottenham away way back then was on your guard time after the game, but this is another level. Mind, I was saying the other day that our first return Napoli home game had all kinds of madness outside, loads from both sides bang at it.
They even blame Roma, from the previous year!Heysel .... like everything, it's never their fault.
City have played there you know. We won 2-0. I know the reputation of the place. I’m not sure you’ve read KloppitE’s account of the two finals because you’re challenging me on my reaction to it on moot points. I am in no doubt about Roma so don’t need to ask my red mates.Well, I wouldn’t take my teenage kids these days to a game like that. Might be wrong, but I don’t even reckon Kloppite’s dad would either for that matter. There are some fixtures abroad where a certain type of fan will be fine and a certain type will be picked off for doing absolutely nothing. Adults yes, kids no for me. I assume you’re from Manchester and you know United fans. Ask any of them who went to Rome what it’s like in and around that bridge before and after the game. That game and place aren’t for the young ones.
Think you’ve missed the boat there. It’s being demolished isn’t it? Glad I got to see City there this season, albeit against Atalanta rather than one of the Milan sides.Inter was ironically one of the few I’ve jibbed since we’ve been back in Europe. Silly personal thing of having a big thing for Milan ever since bonds were formed with their wonderful gesture the European Cup semi the Wednesday after our lowest ebb in Sheffield. So when I finally get to go to the San Siro, I want it to be against Milan. Shrugs.
Think you’ve missed the boat there. It’s being demolished isn’t it? Glad I got to see City there this season, albeit against Atalanta rather than one of the Milan sides.
And usually when Chelsea aren’t even playing in that particular city on that particular date.I am getting slightly confused, was Heysel the one where Chelsea fans pushed an innocent tourist into a fountain for 'bantz' or perhaps it was the one where they smashed a paving stone down on an innocent waiters head ?
The trouble is Chelsea fans are involved in so many violent incidents on foreign soil they tend to merge into one.
City have played there you know. We won 2-0. I know the reputation of the place. I’m not sure you’ve read KloppitE’s account of the two finals because you’re challenging me on my reaction to it on moot points. I am in no doubt about Roma so don’t need to ask my red mates.
I’ll explain it one more time. I think the mention of other accents on the boat the day before is deliberately done to sow the seed that it wasn’t just Liverpool fans present that night. He goes on to say that there were fans outside with Union Jack t-shirts on and inter-club fights breaking out. One Liverpool official claims that some Chelsea fans told him that the 6 of them were able to convince over a thousand Liverpool fans to charge the neutral zone. Another mentions that some Southerners had fake tickets but refused to show them.
All three accounts appear to claim that trouble occurred because of the presence of fans of other English clubs. I find all three difficult to believe.