COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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paulchapo said:
Yes they are selling them on the website.
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Ta bud, the link looked decidedly dodgy but upon checking the official site, as you say, seems legit. Hmmm, maybe I was a bit quick to dismiss. If the £ goes to the right place, that's good. Got a nagging feeling this isn't 100% altruistic.
 
johnnytapia said:
Ta bud, the link looked decidedly dodgy but upon checking the official site, as you say, seems legit. Hmmm, maybe I was a bit quick to dismiss. If the £ goes to the right place, that's good. Got a nagging feeling this isn't 100% altruistic.
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It came from the club by e mail, it is legit. Why not sell them? To be honest I haven't seen any for sale anywhere so at least the club are getting some out there.
 
paulchapo said:
It came from the club by e mail, it is legit. Why not sell them? To be honest I haven't seen any for sale anywhere so at least the club are getting some out there.
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Just looks a bit cheap (the punt, not the cost), bandwagon-esque, marketing ploy. And they're extortionately priced, which tells me this may not be a wholly philanthropic venture.
 
BlueAnorak said:
New report suggests virus was subtly genetically modified and that it must have escaped from a lab.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...virus-began-accident-disease-escaped-chinese/

Holy shit if true.

The report:
https://www.cambridge.org/core/serv..._general_method_of_action_for_infectivity.pdf
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Quite a few have suspected this from the start, the virus is so sneaky and complex various experts believe it must have been modified. Who knows why? A weapon? Trying to find cures for viruses? I doubt we will ever discover the full truth but there's more to this than meets the eye.
 
The hot weather is definitely not playing any part with this virus. I'm looking at numbers in Middle East last few days and they are getting no less cases than 2 months ago and temperatures are in their 40s (celsius) over there these days. I have a friend in Qatar and he posted a photo on Instagram yesterday, it was 43 degrees and they had 1900 new cases. Saudi Arabia over 2000 too. Bahrain and UAE 700-800. Apart from Saudi Arabia, they are all tiny countries and those are big, big numbers for countries of their size.

Iran looks like they are getting a 2nd wave too. They were early hitters, it started there at about the same time as it did in Italy and they had 3100 new cases yesterday. Their deaths plateau is lasting almost 2 months already, though it might be that their early death numbers were not really correct, guess it was much higher in March and April.

Only Europe and East Asia (Australia and New Zealand too) look like they have this thing under control so far. It's really plain to see that whoever had a good lockdown is out of the hell for now and who had an early one, never was in one.

Only few exceptions to that rule. Saudi Arabia for ex., from what I've read had some hard and early lockdowns, even curfews, but they are still getting high numbers. Guess people are not very disciplined there. But they don't have that many deaths. And it's even more strange with Qatar, they have by far the biggest relative number of confirmed cases in the world, but their official death toll is only 16 per million. That can't be the real number for sure or their "branch" of the virus is common cold alike one. Though it might be due to the fact that Arab countries have some of the youngest populations in the world.
 
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BlueAnorak said:
New report suggests virus was subtly genetically modified and that it must have escaped from a lab.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...virus-began-accident-disease-escaped-chinese/

Holy shit if true.

The report:
https://www.cambridge.org/core/serv..._general_method_of_action_for_infectivity.pdf
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Jesus!

I’d read about it escaping by mistake with bats getting out of cages and attacking scientists in the lab, but not that it was genetically altered by humans.

China need to answer a lot of questions... they won’t though, of course... probably won’t even be asked any!

400,000 dead in 5 months, fuck known how many by the end of a year.
 
johnnytapia said:
Just looks a bit cheap (the punt, not the cost), bandwagon-esque, marketing ploy. And they're extortionately priced, which tells me this may not be a wholly philanthropic venture.
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Should we make the the Bluemoaners Cup an annual award or is it winners stays on?
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Jesus!

I’d read about it escaping by mistake with bats getting out of cages and attacking scientists in the lab, but not that it was genetically altered by humans.

China need to answer a lot of questions... they won’t though, of course... probably won’t even be asked any!

400,000 dead in 5 months, fuck known how many by the end of a year.
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Unfortunately they won't and the UK would need a proper government to hold China to account. Instead the UK will probably carry on to award whopping infrastructure contracts to major Chinese firms.
 
BlueAnorak said:
New report suggests virus was subtly genetically modified and that it must have escaped from a lab.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...virus-began-accident-disease-escaped-chinese/

Holy shit if true.

The report:
https://www.cambridge.org/core/serv..._general_method_of_action_for_infectivity.pdf
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The Telegraph and The Mail seem keen to play this report up, for whatever reason. For the sake of balance, here’s The Independent’s take on it:
The researchers claim to have discovered clues suggesting key elements were “inserted” into the virus’s genetic sequence and may not have evolved naturally — a prospect contested by almost every other scientist studying the virus’s makeup.

The study had been rejected by various journals and rewritten several times to remove accusatory claims about China before it was published in the Quarterly Review of Biophysics Discovery, according to The Telegraph. Initial co-author John Fredrik Moxnes, a chief scientific adviser to the Norwegian military, reportedly asked for his name to be removed.
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Psychedelic Casual said:
Jesus!

I’d read about it escaping by mistake with bats getting out of cages and attacking scientists in the lab, but not that it was genetically altered by humans.

China need to answer a lot of questions... they won’t though, of course... probably won’t even be asked any!

400,000 dead in 5 months, fuck known how many by the end of a year.
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Having read the report and the comments on it in the Telegraph article, any changes to an original bat coronavirus are very subtle indeed and why the tone of the initial report led to so many rejecting it out of hand. The report has subsequently been reworked to concentrate on the virus spike binding mechanisms and the question it poses is now "How did the virus acquire such a perfect human binding mechanism naturally?" Which more scientists are prepared to accept.
 
BlueAnorak said:
New report suggests virus was subtly genetically modified and that it must have escaped from a lab.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...virus-began-accident-disease-escaped-chinese/

Holy shit if true.

The report:
https://www.cambridge.org/core/serv..._general_method_of_action_for_infectivity.pdf
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Hmm, thing is, original version of the virus that caused the outbreak didn't have the best "spikes", the later mutated strain did.

Analysis may have changed but that was the consensus when they discovered the 2 strains a few months back.

original video.
 
Ric said:
The Telegraph and The Mail seem keen to play this report up, for whatever reason. For the sake of balance, here’s The Independent’s take on it:
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Nobody wants to be accused of starting WW4 (even if a very cold one like WW3) and China has a track record of bullying smaller countries into submission. Hence why certain people didn't want to be associated with the report.
The questions that China has to answer are now; however, a lot clearer. No matter how the Independent likes to cut it.
Chinese scientists themselves have ruled out animal transmission at the wet market (probably due to censors not understanding scientific papers).
The Chinese also spent a month hiding the virus from the outside world and WHO cooperation is now known not to be open and honest as WHO initially portrayed. Why?
This report certainly adds fuel to the fire.
 
Man_City_Loyal said:
So it seems the main ward at Tameside Hospital dealing with COVID-19 is filling up again :(

I hope its not the same at other hospitals.
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Admission rates are going down across the country according to stat although I wonder if increased admissions in Tameside has anything to do with reports that people have been breaking lockdown by going to Werneth Low. That said Tameside does have the second lowest infection rate per head in Greater Manchester so maybe it's a blip
 
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