George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

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Karen, I have a lot of time for you on here, I really do.

But that is a load of bollox. You do this sometimes, where you go off on some weird mission that is far detached from normality.

I agree there is clearly an issue in America with the way black people are treated. Completely agree.

Bit imo this ain’t one of em.
Ha I answered your assertion that the killing was not race related,it was and American history tells you why,there are protests all over the world by black people who have to face racism every day,it is their chance to try and force change whilst this is a high profile moment

I do ramble that is true,wander off into a bigger picture
 
Not falsifying ,that is very different to not being honest about the results,in the general population there are more positives being found in that sample size,footballers,coaches,physio's etc are all being tested,but only about twelve ,nah I am not believing that

You are actually saying that an individual player is being told that the test had come back negative, when in fact it is positive.
That is a big call, if you have any proof the newspapers would give you a fortune for it.

Some great headlines .
 
Im not going to quantify myself to you, because like I said, we will not agree.

Do yourself a favour. Back off it. Move on.

I have a different opinion and don’t need to explain to you the reasons why.

Tell you what.

Do YOURSELF a favour, stop mentioning a stupid opinion/ theory you're not willing to talk about and nobody will query you on it.
 
Ha I answered your assertion that the killing was not race related,it was and American history tells you why,there are protests all over the world by black people who have to face racism every day,it is their chance to try and force change whilst this is a high profile moment

I do ramble that is true,wander off into a bigger picture

Kaz, he has NO fucking idea what he's talking about and won't quantify his shite.
 
You are actually saying that an individual player is being told that the test had come back negative, when in fact it is positive.
That is a big call, if you have any proof the newspapers would give you a fortune for it.

Some great headlines .
No that is not what I am saying,i am saying the information we are being given is bollocks,there is a massive difference in what you are saying
 
Ha I answered your assertion that the killing was not race related,it was and American history tells you why,there are protests all over the world by black people who have to face racism every day,it is their chance to try and force change whilst this is a high profile moment

I do ramble that is true,wander off into a bigger picture

Id argue a smaller picture ;-)

There are plenty of reasons in American history which could lend this murder to being race related, if you wanted to perceive it that way. However, it is not proof that this one was connected to such a thought train.

For the final time, I entirely understand there is a deep routed issue in American society surrounding the treatment of black people. I get it. It needs dealing with.

But please, let yourself judge each case on the information available. Be reasonable. Include all the context you can.
 
I think it is a confusion that these direct action lot are from actual groups, which they are not.

Not since the abolishment of 'the squads' that used to protect the ANL has there hasn't been set organised teams to agitate and aggresively defend.

Incidently the squads were a Mancunian invention so another proud bit of our political history along side the TUC, anti corn law league, suffragettes Marx and Engels, etc.
Of course they're not. Standard practice for us government with the help of the secret service to make up groups to villify and invent an easily spottable 'enemy of the state'.
 
There's no comparison to the States, in this moment in time, to me in my life, right now.

If you'd have asked me 30 years ago, I'd beg to differ on it at all.

I have been profiled and followed, back then. I, once, noticed a car sat outside a pub watching me when I came out of it. When I realised I was being watched I returned the gaze. I made a motion to reach into my inside pocket and the guy slammed the car into reverse and done one. That action made me jump as it was so reactionary.

I was reaching for my chewing gum.

Nowadays, being married and off the club doors, I have little interaction with the police, so I'm on the outside looking in.

It would be unfair for me to compare as I don't have ears at street level, any more.

Fair enough mate.

Society certainly had a lot more scumbags back then.

For me though, I’d prefer us to concentrate on the UK than tie ourselves with what’s happening in America, we shouldn’t be costing British lives with atrocities elsewhere, as in my view, it doesn’t seem anywhere near as bad here.

I know you don’t agree with that but people will probably lose loved ones due to the crowds that gathered.
 
Now there has been several requests from many in Bristol for this to be pulled down and his only claim to fame is selling slaves so though it is criminal damage I am kinda not arsed that this happened.






Edit: after twalling through several post and replies apparently it was voted for it's removal before and the council have dragged their feet on it and many Bristolians are quite happy at this being gone though maybe not the method.

The Liver Buildings are the biggest monument to slavery in the country but not many people in Liverpool like talking about it.
 
We can only see in a few weeks what the cost is, if any.

It’ll definitely give us an indication of infections in mass gatherings outside.

I just think it’s a major risk not worth taking when things have been getting better.
 
I don't believe they have been following the science anywhere near as closely as they said,herd immunity was the plan at the start,whitty explicitly said that going to a football game was very low risk and they say now transmission is almost all in households,hospitals and care homes ,i am not too convinced that they will be that concerned about the protesting especially as most i saw were wearing masks

To be clear i am not saying that there will not be some dire consequences from these demonstrations,i am interested to see if what the gov thinks is true or not
I meant the protesters
 
LOL!!

I've said I'll call you out when you talk shit about George Floyd. You can block ME!

Report me if you like, you no mark bumbaclaart bitch!

Will oblige.

And now the name calling. Making it personal. Nice!

I haven’t even explained why I believe it isn’t race related and you have decided you don’t like that because you don’t agree. Which was my point to start with. There is no point in debating, because even without me giving reason to debate, you have decided that because I don’t think it was race related that is enough for you to disagree.

And this is the problem with these riots. People make an opinion and will push it no matter what, no matter the consequences. They are right, and everyone else is wrong. They lose the ability to look at each situation within its own foundations.

I’ll say, again, there is an issue in America with the way black people are treated. It’s a deep routed societal issue.

But for the love of god, just understand that I’ve decided this particular scenario isn’t connected to that.

You have chosen your corner, without me even explaining it and that is THE ISSUE with this whole thing.

Im out. I marked your card weeks ago which is why I haven’t given you the satisfaction of an explanation.

Peace!
 
Sigh,cummings wrote the rules,he can't break them yet remain in charge,the public were incensed as every polll showed,it had a knock on effect

The killing of Floyd was every bit to do with him being black,really you need to look into how american have treated the black people in the country,police violence towards them is rife,a white man would never have been murdered in full view by a white police officer,the treatment of black people in America has been shameful,going back a long time

As for timing,if every tipping point in history had not been acted on there and then the moment would have been lost and no change would have happened

i am out as I just keep repeating myself as I try to answer everyone that quoted me

I understand and support their reason for what they are doing,i very much regret the timing and really hope there are no consequences
Those that have jumped on you posts and twisted your words are here to distract you.
Any demo for any cause they'll come out with summat to deride those marching or those on here agreeing with whatever protest it may be. Handily for them this time they have a valid reason to question a mass gathering.
 
Will oblige.

And now the name calling. Making it personal. Nice!

I haven’t even explained why I believe it isn’t race related and you have decided you don’t like that because you don’t agree. Which was my point to start with. There is no point in debating, because even without me giving reason to debate, you have decided that because I don’t think it was race related that is enough for you to disagree.

And this is the problem with these riots. People make an opinion and will push it no matter what, no matter the consequences. They are right, and everyone else is wrong. They lose the ability to look at each situation within its own foundations.

I’ll say, again, there is an issue in America with the way black people are treated. It’s a deep routed societal issue.

But for the love of god, just understand that I’ve decided this particular scenario isn’t connected to that.

You have chosen your corner, without me even explaining it and that is THE ISSUE with this whole thing.

Im out. I marked your card weeks ago which is why I haven’t given you the satisfaction of an explanation.

Peace!

Say whatever you like. I didn't accuse you of you anything I asked you "Because...?" and you went off on one. YOU decide not to explain something YOU started.

And as for slurs, you got none from me until you told me to "fuck off!", so don't play the martyr now, fella.

If you can quote where I berated you about a viewpoint that you never talked about, by all means, I'll apologise.

But, you won't find a reply to an answer you never gave.
 
Ah so they are just lying to the public, the government, NHS, England health, the media.
Is that what you are saying ?
Public health england have always said going to a game is low risk,the rest are all on record as wanting the football season to be finished to jolly us all up,not one of them are going to contradict the prems figures for infections,what is it about football that is producing lower positives per number of tested than the rest of the population ? Football is corrupt at all levels and boris wants it back to raise the nation's spirits ,vested interests all round to downplay the numbers

Sorry wrong thread
 
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