George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

[Bigga]

It should be protested about. Black or white. It was absolutely casual murder.

But all lives matter. Not just black ones.

I thought you were kind of holding your own until the obvious [and technically racist trope] "All Lives Matter" nonsense...

 

[urban genie]

No quotes just his own words.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52959292

Technicaly he is correct as covid is a virus not a disease ;-)

 

[GornikDaze]

I'm really taking umbrage with anyone who breaks cover and endangers other people by helping to spread this shitty virus bud, we've gone past sanctimoniously clapping at doorsteps or putting nice fancy rainbows at the windows to what is total fuckwittery.

The furore surrounding the Cummins debacle and now this, it's just not on. I genuinely do understand the plight of black people in the USA but what I can't get my head around is that in this country they could be causing a second wave, that's what I find Raz guilty of IMO.

Personally I have never sanctimoniously clapped on my doorstep to support the NHS. I have done it to support an underfunded organisation that has more than stepped up to the plate at a time of national crisis - that includes my wife who is a front line nurse

 

[urban genie]

I kind of agree, but when the murder rate of Black men by cops is 13x that of White, what's the option??

Who knows, when I say dramatic, I mean if they have no clear plan after this, and this measure is as an act to try to calm the situation, then ultimately it could be a bad idea.

If the force is rotten to the core then yes disband the current one and start afresh,

 

[Bigga]

Thanks hopefully my 1 and only report:)

How'd you know it was you?

He could have just gotten around to reporting me.

I'll not have you steal my shine, Ste...

 

[Bigga]

I am sorry but I don't agree with you on this one,has there been any cases like this? Honest question due to my shit memory

Thinking about it has a black officer ever murdered a white man in these circumstances ? If there is what happened to him?

This is the nearest case I can think of, Karen.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/07/us/minneapolis-police-sentencing-mohamed-noor.html

Believe me, the 'justice' was swift!

 

[Tim of the Oak]

One is bound to question the efficacy of police horses in this day and age, when more incendiaries are being deployed.

True mate, plus Dick sending coppers out in PR friendly, low protection, uniforms.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

In Bristol?

IMHO, the Bristol authorities should have taken the statue down and sold off /melted down the scrap with the proceeds going to local charities.

Of course the statue could be replaced with one of a real legend, Gerry Gow.

 

[Petethemancinleeds]

The energy of the current protests v the lethargic reactions of the rest of the country/ government give it a unique power . Boris , Pritti, Gove and co clearly have no grasp of this situation. If I were from the BAME community I'd wake up with a spring in my step especially after seeing the slave owner statue symbolically drowned whilst millions of $£ are donated daily to BLM globally .

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I did a tour of Southern States around 15 years ago. We did a detour just outside Dallas and went through a neighbourhood of wooden houses that were more like shacks. I was shocked by the living conditions in this part of the superpower nation and I could see it was a black neighbourhood. How that contributed with the gleaming skyscrapers a few miles away. I have only been to the States a couple of times and I have met lots of great people. Despite our many faults, that includes discrimination, give me the UK every time.

 

[bert38]

One is bound to question the efficacy of police horses in this day and age, when more incendiaries are being deployed.

What do you suggest? Tanks? Horses and dogs have been used for decades in crowd control and public order situations. The alternative was to allow violent protestors to continue to attack officers.

These protests have shown large parts of the public who usually have no contact with the police just how professional, calm and restrained UK police are. And then one wonders why all the ACAB signs and brutality claims? Yet there are those who think it's acceptable and a big laugh to attack people simply doing their job as well as potentially exposing themselves to the virus. I am no fan of Johnson but he is correct, a large minority have ruined these protests and subverted them with thuggery.

25 years service and my overwhelming experience is of brave, dedicated people, many very young, doing their best in a very hard and frequently thankless job. And they should not be the subject of abuse and attack.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Might not work in the UK, but...

 

[ayrshire_blue]

What do you suggest? Tanks? Horses and dogs have been used for decades in crowd control and public order situations. The alternative was to allow violent protestors to continue to attack officers.

These protests have shown large parts of the public who usually have no contact with the police just how professional, calm and restrained UK police are. And then one wonders why all the ACAB signs and brutality claims? Yet there are those who think it's acceptable and a big laugh to attack people simply doing their job as well as potentially exposing themselves to the virus. I am no fan of Johnson but he is correct, a large minority have ruined these protests and subverted them with thuggery.

25 years service and my overwhelming experience is of brave, dedicated people, many very young, doing their best in a very hard and frequently thankless job. And they should not be the subject of abuse and attack.

Spot on.

 

[Cheesy]

The energy of the current protests v the lethargic reactions of the rest of the country/ government give it a unique power . Boris , Pritti, Gove and co clearly have no grasp of this situation. If I were from the BAME community I'd wake up with a spring in my step especially after seeing the slave owner statue symbolically drowned whilst millions of $£ are donated daily to BLM globally .

There'll be some in the BAME community waking up in 2 weeks time unable to breathe.

 

[Ban-jani]

The quick answer is most families in positions of power in Britain.

In Victorian Britain one quarter of the wealth of families in the country had been made from slavery.

These families made millions from the ending of slavery. University College London has an archive which shows where the money went. David Cameron’s family got the equivalent of £3M today. His comfortable life was a direct result of the pain of human beings worked to death. His children will continue to enjoy the blood-money.

If that is true, what shall we do?

 

[Ban-jani]

I dunno, throwing it in the river has probably brought more attention to the horrors of slavery than it sitting in some museum in Bristol would (I don't know if Bristol even has a museum tbh). You never know, it might be an incident that ends up in the history books.

I doubt the Iraqi's put that Saddam statue in a museum, or the former Soviet states with all their Stalin ones.​

Not convinced museums are generally full of statues of terrible people either tbh, think that's Maddame Tussauds you're thinking of?

I agree that dragging it down isn't the "right" thing to do, but it was far more wrong that it's been allowed to stay there all these years and refusing to take it down tbh so it's the lesser evil.

It’ll be forgotten in 5 years, at the bottom of a river and no one will be able to see it.

 

[Mike Cledford]

There'll be some in the BAME community waking up in 2 weeks time unable to breathe.

And many BAME kids will not even survive the next 2 weeks in Africa and elsewhere because sadly their Black Lives do not Matter as there is not enough political capital in them.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

What do you suggest? Tanks? Horses and dogs have been used for decades in crowd control and public order situations. The alternative was to allow violent protestors to continue to attack officers.

These protests have shown large parts of the public who usually have no contact with the police just how professional, calm and restrained UK police are. And then one wonders why all the ACAB signs and brutality claims? Yet there are those who think it's acceptable and a big laugh to attack people simply doing their job as well as potentially exposing themselves to the virus. I am no fan of Johnson but he is correct, a large minority have ruined these protests and subverted them with thuggery.

25 years service and my overwhelming experience is of brave, dedicated people, many very young, doing their best in a very hard and frequently thankless job. And they should not be the subject of abuse and attack.

I think the reinforced police fans that helped to keep Blues safe at Napoli away might have been appropriate. I am not sure though they would have done at the latter end of the protests when most of the decent protestors had gone home.

The police did seem to be professional and brave. As I said in another post, I am not convinced it was the best idea for so many officers to be in low protection uniforms but I guess that was to help engage with the public.

 

[Mike N]

If that is true, what shall we do?

It is true.

As someone who has not benefited from this disgusting trade, I’m not sure. I know those of African decent who find themselves all over Europe and USA have never been paid any compensation so maybe that would be a start?

It should be remembered that the money to pay-off the horrible slave owners in this country was the equivalent of billions of pounds in today’s money. It dwarfed what we paid out to save the banks 10 years ago.

 

[blueinsa]

And many BAME kids will not even survive the next 2 weeks in Africa and elsewhere because sadly their Black Lives do not Matter as there is not enough political capital in them.

With respect are we now responsible for piss poor governance in Africa now and are you suggesting we interfere with the colonialist tag that would follow?