My point is who is saying who is what here? Who gets to decide someone is a racist and who isn't? Happy for the law to do that but sorry, not happy for a group on the street or some facebook or twitter group to do it. We are at the point of protest with groups of people attacking others because they feel they can so 20 anti racists as the OP put it and to who i replied, walking down the street see some bloke and say, oh look, a racist lets twat him and that is ok?
All sounds and is a bit fascist to me that sort of thinking and behaviour im afraid and its why the I am in this group and you are in that and i hate you is dangerous territory.
Agree on education because its ignorance at the heart of this issue.
I wasn't trying to be consistent, I was simply calling you out for downplaying Churchill's flaws as 'saying a few nasty things', when he contributed to millions of lives being very negatively impacted or destroyed. He also did some very good things I agree.Yes he said some racist things by the accounts I have read. I also underplayed his achievements so maybe I was being a bit more consistent than you?
FWIW, In the last two General Elections I voted Labour despite their leader having IRA sympathies, that I despise. I weighed up the positive as well as the negatives, as I perceived them.
Seriously? Is that it?
People who are on the receiving end of racism maybe? It’s like deciding what is anti-Semitic, I tend to listen to Jewish people on what is or isn’t.
People who are on the receiving end of racism maybe? It’s like deciding what is anti-Semitic, I tend to listen to Jewish people on what is or isn’t.
And you are quite happy to decide Diane Abbott is racist based on a tweet or Joshua the other day so it’s a bit rich you saying ‘who gets to decide’. A fair few on here are quite happy ‘to decide’ based on a couple of comments. Or is there are a different standard at work here?
I wonder waht todays reason for showing no sympathy, support or allegiance to the cause will be?
Got 20 pages to get through so i'm sure i'll be able to answer my own question shortly. Onwards..
And you are quite happy to decide Diane Abbott is racist based on a tweet or Joshua the other day so it’s a bit rich you saying ‘who gets to decide’
I'm not sure if this has been posted already but I'm surprised that I'm only seeing this for the first time.
I think it's only fair to warn that the video is graphic and shows his head wound clearly.
A 16 year boy was shot by police with a "less than lethal" round in Austin, Texas. He had to have emergency surgery after the round almost scalped him, smashed his skull and has now apparently left him with permanent brain damage.
He wasn't protesting, he was at work when he simply decided to check out what was happening and was observing at a distance.
I believe Austin police have refused to identify which officer fired the round.
They also confirmed a 20 year old male had also been shot in the head and was in critical condition.
The word “ostracised” was used in reply to a post where he was discussing racists being ostracised on to an island.And what is that oppression exactly? How does that manifest itself in 2020 Britain? The "Whites Only" schools? The jobs for which black people cannot apply? The universities which don't accept people of colour? There are no black or Asian doctors?
I am not saying there are no cases of racism whatsoever, but what I am saying is this is HUGELY overplayed by a group who are pissed off about people poor whilst other people are rich. And they have one huge fucking great big chip on their shoulder about it.
EDIT: Just seen your post above. Yes, it's hugely overplayed. Anyone would think we lived in 1970's South Africa. We do not.
Mmmmm...........didn't see too many happy to take the view of prominent Jews claiming anti Semitism when being accused to be fair.
Fair play to you if you do listen though.
People on your island, whilst I know it was Britain’s fault in the first place (doesn’t excuse it now), hate each other for being the wrong type of Christian.
Doesn't take much to be branded a Nazi these days. Plus everything right of left seems to have a 'far' in front of it. I've noticed the media doing this also. It can't be helping any cause because of the watering down effect due to it's overuse. It's almost like the shock effect of being branded a racist is being lost. Another thing, people on the left like to think everyone as one yet they are by far the worst for pigeonholing people. The whole issue is a fucking mess.
It’s a shame many didn’t last year during Corbyn’s Labour tenure.
Diane has said racist things and Joshua made a statement that was at best clumsy and at worst, clearly racist and I'm happy to say so as did many in society.
They said racist things is not me saying they are racist.
It isn't too supprising with the Morgan freeman, he has long argued that boxing people into catagories and keepign communities seperate is a big factor in racial tension, a lot of interviews when asked he says he doesn't like lables like afro-american and asian-american and everyone should be classed as american and that he hope would lead to more integretion. He has though come out and criticised the police and news for stiring tensions before but again blames that on the lack of these institutions having enough representation or knowledge from black communities.
Denzel is a devout christian who reads the bible, so, as with those clips he focuses a lot not on institutions but about family breakdown as causing the worlds ills.
Anthony mackie makes some valid points everything is a shouting match with lilttle debate anymore and there is a lot that is reactionary without thought.
Would be good to see the full inteviews though rather than just the bits that video wanted.
(I have watched the mackie and lil wayne ones).
Not wishing to derail the thread anymore.....but thats really not it...in actual fact, the religious thing is just a convenient label. Ultimately, in Northern Ireland, it boils down to British / Irish......so it STILL is Britains "fault"
i think what @mancity2012_eamo is saying, similar to what i had said previously, is that whilst Britain is a relatively safe places for minorities, there is still an in built ignorance and fear of other communities...and its getting worse
I did reply to the above mate, I purposefully used the example of sectarianism in an oversimplified way to show that a certain view of a place, from an outsider isn’t always accurate.
I know the situation in NI quite well as my colleague is related to Gerry Adams, I don’t hold it against him he’s a nice lad.
We’ve spent hours over a pint discussing it and I’ve learned loads.
As I say, I used that paragraph to show how ignorance can be set in even with someone with good intentions.
Britain is a lot more populated than the island of Ireland, we have much larger cities and more political parties.
From a liberal perspective, Britain is very progressive and the odd comment on the internet or the odd riot when people have been in lockdown doesn’t change that.
If anyone thinks there’s widespread deep rooted hatred in Britain, they need to visit Manchester. I can’t imagine a better example of multiculturalism and I actually think multiculturalism can cause issues.
Yes it is. And here we are and all the poorer for it. It’s a shame we don’t listen when it came to Johnson and his casual racism, or the Tory Party and Muslims etc.
ah, the auld "Gerry Adams is my uncle ya know" ;-)
Dunno who would be proud to let people know that these days :-)